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« Reply #40 on: Mar 10, 2017, 10:41PM »

Hi Bischipper -

The timestamp you put on Gruber's Frankenstein!!! is actually a french horn solo.  The trombone solo (played standing, according to the direction in the part) is toward the end of the piece, around the 27 minute mark in that performance.  However, that player failed to make themselves audibly noticeable, and the camera did not show them.  I'll see if I can find a better public video.
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 10, 2017, 10:48PM »

This is light years better.

Frankenstein!!! trombone solo:

https://youtu.be/wiqpJekng_4?t=1m40s


And I have also time stamped the amazing (alto, according to some sources) trombone solo that opens the 2nd scene in Thomas' Hamlet.  I suspect Thomas and Berlioz liked each other's use of the trombone.  I had never heard of this work, and then some years back on my way to teach a lesson, I turned on MET radio on satellite and this thing came right on -  played by someone I once knew, no less.  I was so shocked to hear a giant trombone solo in the middle of an opera that I thought for 10-20 seconds that it must have been a french horn.

https://youtu.be/P70KBHeDw7U?t=29m19s
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« Reply #42 on: Mar 11, 2017, 09:22AM »

I think the list adds value only if it mostly contains "rare" works beyond what is known from common books of trombone excerpts. Of course, as mentioned before "rare" is a vague and subjective criterion. I wouldn't want to include Mahler 3 into the list (although I like it very much) because in my mind it is one of the most well-known trombone solos but if you want to create a comprehensive list of trombone solos, please do. The internet and trombone forum is perfect for it as I believe many people will contribute. I think an extremely comprehensive list would be very valuable as well. I wouldn't do it under the header "rare" though.

If it's only 'rare' peices then I'd not include the Sibelius either. :-)  It's a very well known solo.

My point wasn't to make the Mahler 'rare' but that the Sibelius isn't 'rare' either.

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« Reply #43 on: Mar 11, 2017, 09:56AM »

If it's only 'rare' peices then I'd not include the Sibelius either. :-)  It's a very well known solo.

My point wasn't to make the Mahler 'rare' but that the Sibelius isn't 'rare' either.

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I'm sure Sibelius 7 solo is very well known in some countries but Mahler 3 solo is known worldwide. At least I have never seen Sibelius 7 in audition program anywhere else except Finland.
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 11, 2017, 10:19AM »

Last movement of Milhaud's Le Creation du monde
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« Reply #45 on: Mar 11, 2017, 01:40PM »

I'm sure Sibelius 7 solo is very well known in some countries but Mahler 3 solo is known worldwide. At least I have never seen Sibelius 7 in audition program anywhere else except Finland.

It's not the most common of course, but it appears on US audition lists somewhat regularly.  Frustratingly, it is sometimes asked for without a supplied part.  I had to go to a library and copy it out by hand.
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« Reply #46 on: Mar 11, 2017, 11:42PM »

If it's only 'rare' peices then I'd not include the Sibelius either. :-)  It's a very well known solo.

My point wasn't to make the Mahler 'rare' but that the Sibelius isn't 'rare' either.

Ronnie

You are right. As I mentioned previously, "rarity" is a subjective and vague criterion. So necessarily the inclusion or exclusion may look arbitrary.
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« Reply #47 on: Mar 12, 2017, 01:00AM »

Again, many thanks for suggestions and corrections. Here is an updated list. I now included Trombonaut's suggested link of Mozart's Donnerworte Kraft since the van Rjien link is not viewable at least in Finland.

Adams, City Noir https://youtu.be/l6137doeimU

Malcolm Arnold's Tam O'Shanter Overture https://youtu.be/ceWSd1-udgM

H. Berlioz, Symphonie Funubre Et Triomphale, 2nd movement https://youtu.be/BEcSQ8BTlPQ?t=17m34s

P. Creston Toccata Op. 68 https://youtu.be/NYs3aqSHSRg?t=45s

Goliov "Azul" https://youtu.be/RgCA8zTeFOQ

H.K. Gruber - Frankenstein https://youtu.be/wiqpJekng_4?t=1m40s

P. Hindemith Nobilissima Visione (the Ballet NOT the suite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c

P. Hindemith Concert Music for Strings and Brass https://youtu.be/U3f_-rJQ_Os?t=12m53s

Leos Janacek Sinfonietta https://youtu.be/NCXRqgXiARA?t=10m45s

Mahler or Brucker or Krzyzanowski or Guersching Symphonisches Praeludium https://youtu.be/JiRdgFLEn8M

Milhaud Le Creation du monde https://youtu.be/DB8e_V_4b2s?t=13s

W.A. Mozart Aria "Jener Donnerworte Kraft" in "Die Schuldigkeit des Ersten Gebotes" KV 35 https://youtu.be/ju7B6tq6n4w or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3tjuayrR5s

Andrey Petrov The Creation of the World,Suite No.1 https://youtu.be/Zbwol3zc4D8?t=924

Respighi, Roman Festivals, last movement (not very lesser-known) https://youtu.be/bIMAicXgZP4

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture Opus 36 https://youtu.be/j4CX4qxnA98

D. Shostakovich, The Bolt (bass trombone) https://youtu.be/IcDL8wauKc0

D. Shostakovich - 4th Symphony https://youtu.be/9MjPsYs6b8k

D. Shostakovich - 12th Symphony https://youtu.be/K_IGkwov3EM

D. Shostakovich - 15th Symphony https://youtu.be/N0iZGMXpquQ?t=15m8s

J. Sibelius 7. Symphony https://youtu.be/ZOfUYtSXaXI

R. Strauss "Die Frau ohne Schatten" Symphonic Fantasy https://youtu.be/CnePcliodSo?t=9m12s

I. Stravinsky, Agon (Ballet) https://youtu.be/CoW3-YcjHsY

Abroise Thomas' Hamlet https://youtu.be/P70KBHeDw7U?t=29m19s

Verdi Overture Nabucco https://youtu.be/hIyZNJKu1ik

Kurt Weill - 2nd Symphony https://youtu.be/jLKcIHZYPew
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« Reply #48 on: Mar 12, 2017, 04:46AM »

W.A. Mozart Aria "Jener Donnerworte Kraft" in "Die Schuldigkeit des Ersten Gebotes" KV 35 https://youtu.be/ju7B6tq6n4w or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3tjuayrR5s

This "Aria" is on page 41 of the complete score you can find on IMSLP
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« Reply #49 on: Mar 12, 2017, 12:08PM »

and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7oGV1RqRH4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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« Reply #50 on: Mar 24, 2017, 03:24PM »

I've never heard that before either.  Apparently that is from Mozart's first "opera" of a sort, composed at age 11.

Certainly an unusual tactic.

Or was it?  Were trombone/vocal duets a thing at the time? Or was it just some crazy 11-year-old thing to do?


Arie with obbligato trombone were quite common in 18th century Austria. Mozart was certainly inspired by a lot of precedent. There is a great article by Stewart Carter in one of the early Historic Brass Society Journal (1990 or 1991 I believe). He already lists quite a few examples between the mid 1600's and mid 1700's, and that's 27 years ago, and limited only to Vienna...There are others beyond the time period he explored and from other locations (including Salzburg, where Mozart grew up, as you probably know).

If we're going to include those oratorios and operas with trombone obbligato arie, then we should probably also include the works by L.Mozart and M.Haydn with solo trombone movements. But I don't know to what extent one can reasonably consider all of these as ''orchestral'' works.
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« Reply #51 on: Mar 24, 2017, 03:56PM »

Don't know if it qualifies since it is an arrangement, but Lorin Maazel's arrangement of Wagner' tetralogy Der Ring ohne Worte has the 1st trombone playing a few vocal solos, some very short ones, and one long solo from Das Rheingold, ''Heda! Hedo!'' when Donner summons the clouds and strikes the ground with his hammer to deploy the bridge to Walhalla.

https://youtu.be/czDDZnWKbsc?t=10m54s


Some things that have been mentioned are not orchestral works by any standard. The Milhaud for example, is for a seventeen instrument ensemble. If we're gonna go there, we'd have to include every last piece of 20th and 21st century music for medium to large-sized mixed ensemble that includes a trombone, and we're not out of the woods....
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« Reply #52 on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:13AM »

Again, many thanks for suggestions and corrections. Here is an updated list (incl. Wagner/Maazels Ring ohne Worte and Dvorak's Karneval Overture)

Adams, City Noir https://youtu.be/l6137doeimU

Malcolm Arnold's Tam O'Shanter Overture https://youtu.be/ceWSd1-udgM

H. Berlioz, Symphonie Funubre Et Triomphale, 2nd movement https://youtu.be/BEcSQ8BTlPQ?t=17m34s

P. Creston Toccata Op. 68 https://youtu.be/NYs3aqSHSRg?t=45s

A. Dvorak, Carneval Overture https://youtu.be/HWloCWTiQDg?t=30s

Goliov "Azul" https://youtu.be/RgCA8zTeFOQ

H.K. Gruber - Frankenstein https://youtu.be/wiqpJekng_4?t=1m40s

P. Hindemith Nobilissima Visione (the Ballet NOT the suite) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c

P. Hindemith Concert Music for Strings and Brass https://youtu.be/U3f_-rJQ_Os?t=12m53s

Leos Janacek Sinfonietta https://youtu.be/NCXRqgXiARA?t=10m45s

Mahler or Brucker or Krzyzanowski or Guersching Symphonisches Praeludium https://youtu.be/JiRdgFLEn8M

Milhaud Le Creation du monde https://youtu.be/DB8e_V_4b2s?t=13s

W.A. Mozart Aria "Jener Donnerworte Kraft" in "Die Schuldigkeit des Ersten Gebotes" KV 35 https://youtu.be/ju7B6tq6n4w or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3tjuayrR5s

Andrey Petrov The Creation of the World,Suite No.1 https://youtu.be/Zbwol3zc4D8?t=924

Respighi, Roman Festivals, last movement (not very lesser-known) https://youtu.be/bIMAicXgZP4

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - Russian Easter Festival Overture Opus 36 https://youtu.be/j4CX4qxnA98

D. Shostakovich, The Bolt (bass trombone) https://youtu.be/IcDL8wauKc0

D. Shostakovich - 4th Symphony https://youtu.be/9MjPsYs6b8k

D. Shostakovich - 12th Symphony https://youtu.be/K_IGkwov3EM

D. Shostakovich - 15th Symphony https://youtu.be/N0iZGMXpquQ?t=15m8s

J. Sibelius 7. Symphony https://youtu.be/ZOfUYtSXaXI

R. Strauss "Die Frau ohne Schatten" Symphonic Fantasy https://youtu.be/CnePcliodSo?t=9m12s

I. Stravinsky, Agon (Ballet) https://youtu.be/CoW3-YcjHsY

Abroise Thomas' Hamlet https://youtu.be/P70KBHeDw7U?t=29m19s

Verdi Overture Nabucco https://youtu.be/hIyZNJKu1ik

R. Wagner / L. Maazel Ring ohne Worte https://youtu.be/czDDZnWKbsc?t=10m54s

Kurt Weill - 2nd Symphony https://youtu.be/jLKcIHZYPew
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« Reply #53 on: Apr 21, 2017, 02:19AM »


Arie with obbligato trombone were quite common in 18th century Austria. Mozart was certainly inspired by a lot of precedent. There is a great article by Stewart Carter in one of the early Historic Brass Society Journal (1990 or 1991 I believe). He already lists quite a few examples between the mid 1600's and mid 1700's, and that's 27 years ago, and limited only to Vienna...There are others beyond the time period he explored and from other locations (including Salzburg, where Mozart grew up, as you probably know).


Many thanks for the reference. This is very interesting. Here is the link to
Carter, Stewart (1990). Trombone Obbligatos in Viennese Oratorios of the Baroque, Historic Brass Society Journal, Vol. 2, Issue 1, 52-77, Permanent URL of PDF: http://dx.doi.org/10.2153/0119900011002
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« Reply #54 on: Apr 25, 2017, 04:14PM »

Quick! Get the lid back on that can of worms!

Shostakovich's 4th and 12th Symphonies don't get played much and have trombone solos.

Malcolm Arnold's Tam O'Shanter Overture is a really good trombone feature.


We're doing Shostakovich 12 next season :D
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