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« on: Dec 01, 2016, 09:14AM »

Hello friends,
I'm looking for something very specific:  trombonists who hold (or have held) positions as both an orchestral tenor and orchestral bass trombone player.  My preference is for people who have won auditions on each instrument like Peter Norton (principal in Montreal, bass in Cincinnati) and James Markey (Asst. principal in NY, bass in NY and Boston).  Info on people whose positions includes both (like Paul Pollard at the Met and others) is fine, too.

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 01, 2016, 09:30AM »

I will ask around! Someone has to have done it.

If you're not terribly picky, I have had professional orchestral gigs on both instruments. But on bass, it was a NETworks tour called "Handel's Messiah Rocks"...I'm guessing that doesn't count!  :D
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 01, 2016, 01:38PM »

I will ask around! Someone has to have done it.

If you're not terribly picky, I have had professional orchestral gigs on both instruments. But on bass, it was a NETworks tour called "Handel's Messiah Rocks"...I'm guessing that doesn't count!  :D

I'm actually trying to be picky.  :)  I've played gigs on both, too.  I'm looking for people who have held positions in professional, traditional orchestras (ROPA or ICSOM in the US and their European/Canadian equivalents).
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 01, 2016, 01:55PM »

Does that include most assistant principal players?
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 02, 2016, 05:30AM »

Stefan Schulz of the Berlin Philharmonic has held second trombone and bass trombone positions in that orchestra.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 02, 2016, 07:17AM »

Does that include most assistant principal players?

I'm more interested in people that won separate auditions on each instrument.  But, I would take names of people that fill a utility role (often, but not always, an assistant principal role) that involves playing tenor and bass in their orchestra, too.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 02, 2016, 07:22AM »

Bill Rose held the bass trombone and tuba position with the Houston Symphony... Peter Kline held the bass trombone and a tenor chair with the San Antonio Symphony.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 02, 2016, 08:09AM »

Steve Fissel has held 2nd and bass trombone in the Seattle Symphony
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 02, 2016, 10:14AM »

In that case, James Miller at LA plays both regularly.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 02, 2016, 10:41AM »

I'm not sure where you are trying to head with this, Chad.  Nowadays there are specialized auditions for Bass Trombone and Trombone in orchestras.

If we go back a ways, Eugene Adam was Principal Trombone in the Boston Symphony but was fired because of a Musician Union strike in 1919.  He later rejoined the orchestra as Tubist.

Kilton Vinal Smith doubled as trombone and tuba with the Boston Symphony just prior to World War II.

But back then, you studied "trombone" and the 3rd chair wasn't a specialty.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 02, 2016, 11:27AM »

The obvious name that has not been mentioned, perhaps the best example, is Charlie Vernon.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 02, 2016, 12:06PM »

The obvious name that has not been mentioned, perhaps the best example, is Charlie Vernon.

Dunno.  Did Charlie win an audition on tenor?  Agreed he can play any trombone, though.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 02, 2016, 12:41PM »

Dave Reid.

2nd bone then bass bone in Calgary Phil. Home of Rockymountainbone here on TTF.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 02, 2016, 01:21PM »

David Pell in the Toronto (Canada) area. Dave's won positions on both tenor and bass.

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« Reply #14 on: Dec 02, 2016, 01:56PM »

I'm not sure where you are trying to head with this, Chad.  Nowadays there are specialized auditions for Bass Trombone and Trombone in orchestras.

Bruce,
I'm a product of the specialized bass vs tenor audition system:  I play both, but have only ever held the specialized third/bass trombone position in my ROPA orchestra.  :)  I'm looking for people who've succeeded in both scenarios, preferably recently; current folks are of the most interest.  

I know there are a few people who have navigated both audition circuits successfully and I'm looking to add to the list.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:18PM »

Dunno.  Did Charlie win an audition on tenor?  Agreed he can play any trombone, though.

He won a principal job before going to Chicago.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:23PM »

He won a principal job before going to Chicago.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:31PM »

The only person i can think of who im pretty sure has done that in my corner of the world is Howard Parkinson who is the current Bass Trombone player in the Adelaide symphony orchestra but originally won an audition for the same orchestra as the principle trombone. I have never spoken to Howard about the specifics but i know there was a reason he changed positions in ASO.

Actually I could have this guess completely wrong, but I would hazard a guess that if a player wins both a SEPARATE tenor and bass job, that it would be VERY rare if it were not in the same orchestra. Or at least if they do hold a position in a different orchestrs they will have established themselves on tenor and bass chairs within ONE  professional orchestra first. I would be more interested specifically in people who have won a tenor job in one orchestra, then won a bass job in a totally separate professional orchestra  (or vice versa). I imagine those players would be rare. Am i right?
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:34PM »

He won a principal job before going to Chicago.

Wasn't he bass trombone in Philadelphia before Chicago? And from memory (hopefully im not getting mixed up!) before that had a short time as Bass trombone in san Francisco? I heard he took an audition for a principle tenor position but was not awarded it.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:54PM »

Wasn't he bass trombone in Philadelphia before Chicago? And from memory (hopefully im not getting mixed up!) before that had a short time as Bass trombone in san Francisco? I heard he took an audition for a principle tenor position but was not awarded it.

My recollection was Charlie was in Baltimore, San Francisco and Philadelphia before Chicago all on bass. To my knowledge he didn't win any tenor auditions but he has taken a number of them spanning a few decades.
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