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« Reply #20 on: Dec 02, 2016, 02:59PM »

Really????

I guess I'm wrong. I swear that was a thing!
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 02, 2016, 03:16PM »

Kevin already mentioned my section mate Dave Reid.

In addition to Jim Miller in LA, many of the big orchestras that carry 4 players have one player (either the 2nd or the Asst./Assoc) who has to fill in on Bass periodically. Colin Williams does that in the NYPhil. I think Eric Carlson does that role in Philly - not sure in Cleveland, San Fran., Baltimore, National.

Nowadays, most orchestra contracts have some language about trying to spread out the workload among the whole section, as well as many having some of their vacation weeks being done on a rotating basis, so someone has to cover the Bass chair in those situations. That's how Jim Markey began playing bass and fell in love with the instrument.

If you're looking into this for an article, or just for the info, I'd suggest checking with those orchestras that carry 4 (or 5 at the Met). I think that's all of the current ones in my 2nd paragraph, but Detroit, Toronto and Atlanta (briefly) all had 4 players for a time and lost that chair to attrition when finances were tight.

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« Reply #22 on: Dec 17, 2016, 12:03PM »

I saw of a picture of Don Harwood holding a Conn 88H with Per Brevig and a fellow named Gillespie listed as New Tork  Met Bone section.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 18, 2016, 09:19AM »

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« Reply #24 on: Dec 18, 2016, 10:40AM »

He won a principal job before going to Chicago.

Really? Where? What orchestra?
Before going to Chicago wasn't he the Bass trombone of the Philadelphia Orchestra?

Stefan Schulz from the Berlin Philharmonic, he won Second Trombone and then Bass in the BPO, before this he was Bass trombone with the Berlin Staatskapelle.

Vivan Lee from the Montreal Symphony, tenor with Montreal SYm. and bass with Orchestra London Canada
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 18, 2016, 02:49PM »

I believe Charlie won Assistant Principal, Detroit Symphony Orchestra.
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« Reply #26 on: Dec 20, 2016, 01:50AM »

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« Reply #27 on: Dec 20, 2016, 06:00AM »

In his own bio on his website, Charlie mentions only these professional positions, all bass trombone.

"Charles Vernon began his orchestral career as bass trombonist with the Baltimore Symphony, starting in September 1971. In 1980 he went to the San Francisco Symphony for one season. He was then chosen by Riccardo Muti to play bass trombone with the Philadelphia Orchestra, where he played for five years until coming to the Chicago Symphony Orchestra in 1986."

If he won any tenor auditions (e.g. Detroit) he apparently did not accept the position.
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 20, 2016, 06:09AM »

Come to think of it though, at a CSO Ravina concert this summer, Jay was off and Charlie played first trombone. He really seemed/looked at home there. When Jay (sadly) retires some day, I wonder if Charlie will move over a couple of seats?
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 20, 2016, 06:47AM »

I heard that in Helsinki Philharmonic they have changed their trombone section like that: principal switched to play bass (he used to be bass-trombonist in his younger age) and bass-trombonist switched to associate principal (former associate principal became principal now). Everything is possible.
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« Reply #30 on: Dec 20, 2016, 07:23AM »

Bill Thomas was 2nd trombone in Atlanta and is now 2nd/3rd in the Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich. I believe he mostly plays bass in that job.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 20, 2016, 07:27AM »

Sam Chen is principal of the Knoxville Symphony and also holds a position as bass trombone of another orchestra in TN called Symphony of the Mountains. He gets around subbing on bass trombone (and probably tenor) as well.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 20, 2016, 07:29AM »

In the doubling by necessity category, Colin Williams covers bass trombone in the NY Phil sometimes, as does Jim Nova in Pittsburgh.
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 20, 2016, 07:34AM »

I saw of a picture of Don Harwood holding a Conn 88H with Per Brevig and a fellow named Gillespie listed as New Tork  Met Bone section.

I've seen that picture, and I'm pretty sure that's a Holton Tr-185 he's holding. The wrap looks like an 88H wrap.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 20, 2016, 07:57AM »

Buffalo Phil 2nd trombonist Tim Smith also covers bass trombone.
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 20, 2016, 08:51AM »

I've seen that picture, and I'm pretty sure that's a Holton Tr-185 he's holding. The wrap looks like an 88H wrap.

I'm not sure what Don Harwood used as his tenor when he started at the Met, but I remember hearing that his tenor set-up before he moved over to the NY Phil. was a Bach 50 slide with a 42 bell.

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« Reply #36 on: Dec 20, 2016, 12:05PM »

Michael Mulchay, 2nd trombone in CSO, covers for Charlie on bass every so often.
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« Reply #37 on: Dec 20, 2016, 01:18PM »

This is pretty common in Europe to have the 4th trombonist in a section be the Veksel posaune, or utility position.  Both the larger orchestras when I was in Copenhagen had someone who's job it is to play both.
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 15, 2017, 12:15AM »

I believe Charlie won Assistant Principal, Detroit Symphony Orchestra.

Tanny Gurin won that audition. Charlie was runner up.

Dee Stewart was bass trombonist in Louisiana and later second in Philadelphia.
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« Reply #39 on: Mar 15, 2017, 05:35AM »

Phil Brink is now bass trombone in Singapore (?).  He was 1st trombone in Calgary in the '70's, and has won numerous other bass trombone spots along the way.
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