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« Reply #20 on: Dec 28, 2016, 02:42PM »

I like that.

The sound was very good and I am interested in hearing about your detailed process of recording using Audacity.

Do you have the free or Pro version of Audacity?. 

Am I correct in thinking that you do not record your trombone into a file for use in the Band-in-a-Box program?

Do you record the BiaB backing direct into Audacity or via your speakers?

Do you use earphones?

This is an area where I am extremely lacking in knowledge. I have only recently decided to try and master the process of recording myself. 
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 28, 2016, 03:17PM »

I like that.

The sound was very good and I am interested in hearing about your detailed process of recording using Audacity.

Do you have the free or Pro version of Audacity?. 

Am I correct in thinking that you do not record your trombone into a file for use in the Band-in-a-Box program?

Do you record the BiaB backing direct into Audacity or via your speakers?

Do you use earphones?

This is an area where I am extremely lacking in knowledge. I have only recently decided to try and master the process of recording myself. 

Thanks for your kind compliment and your interest, Grah. You've always demonstrated a willingness on this Forum to share your knowledge and I think it's very admirable. I'll try to answer your questions point by point.

1) "Do you have the free or Pro version of Audacity?" I have the free version. I didn't even know there was a pro version. Now you have me curious. lol

2) "Am I correct in thinking that you do not record your trombone into a file for use in the Band-in-a-Box program?" Correct. I know there is possibly a better way, but what I feel most comfortable doing is to save my BiaB accompaniment file as a wave file in Audacity. I usually add some amplification to it once it's saved. I then play that accompaniment wave file through my stereo system with the volume down as low as possible. I record into that wave file with Audacity - what I call - "karaoke-style". I'll keep all of my efforts and use the best of how ever many takes it requires for me to get the best product. In this case, I used the Audacity compressor to level the highs. Then I adjusted my sound for the mic by dropping the lows from the 200hz point on a curve to -12db and I gave it a nudge on a curve from the 2000 through the 5000hz area by +3db. I don't really want to do those things, but I feel I have to to restore my sound. I then give it a small, dark room reverb if the accompaniment sounds wet and it did, so I did.

3) "Do you record the BiaB backing direct into Audacity or via your speakers?" No. Not necessary, since it's already been saved as a wave file.

4) "Do you use earphones?" No. I know I should. I know I should just hit the record button on BiaB. I've tried. But I really do not like using even 1/2 of a headphone set. I suppose I could get an even cleaner recording the right way, but since I'm doing this for my own entertainment and not for commercial work, I get pretty good household-quality results.

Please either feel free to use this thread or open another with what you are learning about recording using BiaB! I have no problem at all with this thread turning into a mish-mosh of my "rendition" efforts and/or BiaB.

In a subsequent post, I'll put up the lead sheets I devised for "Under The Boardwalk". It's a work-in-progress. I need to enhance my second run-through to make it a bit different from my first run-through. But for now, I just repeat.

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« Reply #22 on: Dec 28, 2016, 03:47PM »

So here's the pics of my little "rendition" of "Under The Boardwalk":







It's a work-in-progress. The lead sheets are guides. I try to adjust the articulation & timing to play it the way I want it to sound, as opposed to my faulty notation.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 29, 2016, 09:35AM »

Graham and all,

Take my recording method with a grain of salt. There are other and probably better ways.

It's been over a year since I have recorded myself and my tone has improved - thanks in large part to my instructor, Bob Riddle. Out of habit, I used the same massaging techniques post-recording as I always did. Today, I discovered that I didn't need to do any of that. My sound is good enough to just use the "raw" recording, mix it down with the accompaniment and then add a bit of reverb to the whole thing.

Here's my little simple rendition of "Blue Moon" (notation shown in one of the above posts of mine):

Geezer's Rendition of Blue Moon

For the first pass, I used a bucket mute. I've always had trouble getting a decent sound with a bucket mute and now I know why. For me, using a mute takes a LOT of finesse. I've always tended to over-blow when using one. The result was that the horn got backed up and there was a nasty rattling sound = not good. Problem solved!

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« Reply #24 on: Dec 29, 2016, 03:19PM »

I decided, rather than mess up your topic with my questions about recording, to open a separate topic in Technology:

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,97046.new.html#new

So I reposted your replies so far.

I do hope some experts will be able to chip in on this topic. Good!
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 29, 2016, 04:41PM »

I decided, rather than mess up your topic with my questions about recording, to open a separate topic in Technology:

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,97046.new.html#new

So I reposted your replies so far.

I do hope some experts will be able to chip in on this topic. Good!

I don't view it as a divergence to this thread, but it's cool. I'll follow along on that topic you started. I have some procedures - but like you - I want to see what others with more experience might post.

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« Reply #26 on: Dec 30, 2016, 12:22AM »

So here's my "rendition" of "Under The Boardwalk", performed on my vintage King 3B/F, recorded with an EV RE20 mic & Audacity; using Band-in-a-Box as my accompaniment.

 Under The Boardwalk

I can hear that I rush some phrases a wee bit. Certainly can't fault BiaB for it's splendid accompaniment, though!

Pretty happy with this rendition at present, so it's time to finalize it in Fidelity and move on.

...Geezer

Yeah, man. You got a great core sound.
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 30, 2016, 05:13AM »

Yeah, man. You got a great core sound.

Thanks! That's exactly how my instructor - Rob Riddle - has characterized my sound. It's been a tough sound for me to obtain consistently, but I'm starting to get the hang of it a little bit. He has me on the Michael Davis "15-Minute Warm-Up" book daily (actually I do it twice a day) and both his instruction and it have really helped. But now I'm wondering how I can get more overtones into my sound to liven it up a little.

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« Reply #28 on: Dec 31, 2016, 10:22AM »

Okay, so this will be my last recording installment in this thread. All the rest of my renditions will be within the mold of the three that I have posted, so nothing new planned.

I had to make a few changes from my original concept. Some things are still a bit questionable as to musical merit, but there are some nice places as well.

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Big production. lol It's a kinda long song in the first place and I run through it twice.

...Geezer
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