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« Reply #1060 on: May 11, 2017, 03:01PM »

Second... he really is the worst enemy of his own messaging. It's like when a judge put a hold don trump's travel ban, not so much for it's content but for what trump had said about it... to which trump publicly confirmed in statements later that night that the judge was right. All while trying to attack him.

Yeah, the whole message is, This has nothing to do with the Russia probe, but Trump couldn't even stop himself from mentioning it in his letter to Comey.

The example you gave is another good example. First he said that he fired Comey on the advice of Sessions and Rosenstein, then gave a completely different rationale. He doesn't think people are smart enough to notice that he's just looking for something to say that works, and he might be right about that.

The other explanation is that insiders are saying that Rosenstein was miffed over the implication that he was the impetus for this, which he clearly was not, and threatened to resign. They're trying to 'nuance' that without completely backing off the original pretext that was created.

Anyone who falls for this BS deserves Trump as president, but I sure as hell don't.
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« Reply #1061 on: May 11, 2017, 04:00PM »

The plain and depressing illustration of it is how much more statesmanlike the congressional GOP was during Watergate.

Obstruction wasn't a option for them back then.  The GOP was a powerless minority in the House (241D to 192R) and nearly so in the Senate (56D to 42R).

None-the-less I recall there were Republicans on the investigating committees who went to the mat for Richard Nixon on every point and argued every doubt in his favor down to the last detail. It wasn't called "alternate facts" back then but they had no shortage of alternate explanations.

If the GOP had been in power then, Watergate would still be just "a third-rate burglary".
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« Reply #1062 on: May 11, 2017, 04:13PM »

Yeah, the whole message is, This has nothing to do with the Russia probe, but Trump couldn't even stop himself from mentioning it in his letter to Comey.
 
The example you gave is another good example. First he said that he fired Comey on the advice of Sessions and Rosenstein, then gave a completely different rationale. He doesn't think people are smart enough to notice that he's just looking for something to say that works, and he might be right about that.
 
The other explanation is that insiders are saying that Rosenstein was miffed over the implication that he was the impetus for this, which he clearly was not, and threatened to resign. They're trying to 'nuance' that without completely backing off the original pretext that was created.
 
Anyone who falls for this BS deserves Trump as president, but I sure as hell don't.

It's hard to imagine how an adult could be such a horrible, transparent liar, but I have to wonder if it's not some kind of litmus test for The Donald. At least a couple of talking head types were comparing that glaringly out of place comment about having been exonerated to a 5th grader's ability to lie. It strikes me that may of The Donald's lies may be some kind of a litmus test. If you're either selectively vapid enough or truly just mentally handicapped enough to buy many of them, you're useful. If you aren't then you're potentially dangerous to them, or potentially very useful if you can make a solid show of pretending to buy them and you're so inclined.
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« Reply #1063 on: May 11, 2017, 04:29PM »

The fact the system allowed Trump to become the Pres would be a huge joke if it was not so serious in terms of human survival due to the nuclear war he is so close to causing. I wonder also if it does not say something about the education and state of mind of Mr. Average America. And don't think I am not seeing similar trends with the Mr. Average Australia etc.

This latest move of Trump's in sacking Comey and his explanation of why is so transparent, the press all round the world are laughing out loud. I guess it also says something about American politicians that they have not moved to get rid of Trump despite his obvious shortcomings.
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« Reply #1064 on: May 11, 2017, 06:23PM »

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« Reply #1065 on: May 12, 2017, 09:26AM »

I just saw a theory that Trump 'traded' Comey to Wikileaks founder Assuange for huge (Bigly) amount of funds, that will be laundered through Iran.
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« Reply #1066 on: May 12, 2017, 09:31AM »

You mean we may see Trump Hotel and Golf Resort, Qum? :)
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« Reply #1067 on: May 12, 2017, 04:38PM »

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« Reply #1068 on: May 12, 2017, 04:48PM »

His tax returns would show at least some of the proof of it. The main reason he refuses to disclose them.

The tax returns themselves would be crafted to not reveal such doings.

This commentary discusses how focusing on filed tax returns misses important points...

The Trump Tax Return/Russia Letter Is Full of Holes


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...Seeing the tax returns wouldn’t even settle a lot of these questions. If I’m reading the letter correctly, the lawyers may know of information that is not reflected in Trump’s personal tax returns for the last decade and simply not mention those facts. Again, the letter specifically says “your tax returns do not reflect” not “you do not have.” This is, needless to say, a massive loophole in the assertions in the letter.
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« Reply #1069 on: May 12, 2017, 10:53PM »

Something I don't quite understand: When Bill Clinton talked on the tarmac with Loretta Lynch, the backlash was sufficient that Loretta Lynch recused herself, essentially, from the final decision regarding the Hillary email investigation. Both said they didn't discuss the case, which you can believe or not.

But now Trump has volunteered, unprompted, that he called Comey and asked if he was being investigated. Why isn't this a big deal? After all, it was only alleged that Bill and Loretta might have discussed the pending case, whereas Trump is openly admitting he did what Clinton was only accused of. There's no question that the case could potentially involve Trump, his family and his close associates.

Can anyone explain to me why so little has been made of this?
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« Reply #1070 on: May 13, 2017, 05:01AM »

Because there is so much more than that wrong with the whole Comey firing and how it was mishandled. FWIW, I have seen/heard multiple talking heads making a pretty big deal of it.
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« Reply #1071 on: May 13, 2017, 06:07AM »

Can anyone explain to me why so little has been made of this?

The sitting President can legally ask anyone in his administration any inside question he wants and they can legally answer. That's their job, to keep the President informed.

That would be what makes it different from an EX-President (allegedly) asking for inside information.
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« Reply #1072 on: May 13, 2017, 07:58AM »

Something I don't quite understand: When Bill Clinton talked on the tarmac with Loretta Lynch, the backlash was sufficient that Loretta Lynch recused herself, essentially, from the final decision regarding the Hillary email investigation. Both said they didn't discuss the case, which you can believe or not.
 
But now Trump has volunteered, unprompted, that he called Comey and asked if he was being investigated. Why isn't this a big deal? After all, it was only alleged that Bill and Loretta might have discussed the pending case, whereas Trump is openly admitting he did what Clinton was only accused of. There's no question that the case could potentially involve Trump, his family and his close associates.
 
Can anyone explain to me why so little has been made of this?

I don't think the problem is that so little has actually been made of it, it's that there's just too much of this kind of nonsense going on (I've been hearing a lot about it, personally, it's just been diluted by too many other current Trumpisms), so it's a huge item on a busy agenda of various violations of honor and ethics and reason and honesty ... etc. He's the "values" voters' choice after all. So people are making a big thing out of it with the resources available, except for Trumpskulls and many "values" voters of course. The Donald is a good tool for bringing out all of our true colors, but to a far greater extent than any normal human being might reach.
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« Reply #1073 on: May 13, 2017, 08:47AM »

The sitting President can legally ask anyone in his administration any inside question he wants and they can legally answer. That's their job, to keep the President informed.

That would be what makes it different from an EX-President (allegedly) asking for inside information.

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I agree, but to me the breaking point of that privilege would be the president asking about an investigation of himself. It comes perilously close to tampering with the investigation.

Comey apparently feels similarly--the president asked him to a private dinner, which he attended reluctantly, because it could create an impession of collusion with respect to the investigation. Trump asked him for his 'loyalty', and what, precisely, would that entail? To his credit, Comey declined to offer it, offering 'honesty' instead.

Pathetically, and typically, the president later claimed that Comey requested the meeting to appeal to retain his job, and that Comey assured him he wasn't under investigation. Is there any reason to believe this? Absolutely not. This president flagrantly lies about things that were said in open hearings, so there's no reason to believe his account of a private one.

Trump is starting to look like Nixon, without the finesse.
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I agree, but to me the breaking point of that privilege would be the president asking about an investigation of himself. It comes perilously close to tampering with the investigation.

And I agree with that.  It's like the age old question, "who polices the police"?

But there is great reluctance to charge a President.  The only time I can recall a President paying an actual legal penalty for conduct in office was when Bill Clinton when took a plea deal to avoid a perjury prosecution for statements he made in the Paula Jones lawsuit.

But that's also the only time I can recall anyone pinning a chargeable crime on a President.  It's typically a flunky, like a Scooter Libby, who takes the fall.

Note that that Clinton action only occurred after years of activity in the case, so there's still time for something to happen if actual law-breaking can be documented. 



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« Reply #1075 on: May 13, 2017, 02:46PM »

But there is great reluctance to charge a President.

President Clouseau is making that less and less true every day though.
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« Reply #1076 on: May 13, 2017, 02:52PM »

from the "Why Are We Just Finding Out About This Now?" desk:

"...Trump’s Atlantic City, New Jersey casino, the Trump Taj Mahal, was hit with a $10 million civil penalty by [the US Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network] in 2015 for “willful and repeated violations” of anti-money laundering requirements..."

Treasury’s Financial Crimes Unit To Share Trump Team Records For Russia Probe

These rules seem to be about reporting certain foreign party and/or large amount transactions, even in what appear to be completely legal events in addition to obligations to report things that appear suspicious.

You can see a list of suspicious activities on page 43 of this PDF presentation
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« Reply #1077 on: May 15, 2017, 09:21AM »

But, he's pro-life (he said so) and he's not Hillary!  What do you not understand about that?  Nothing else matters.
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« Reply #1078 on: May 15, 2017, 09:31AM »

But, he's pro-life (he said so) and he's not Hillary!  What do you not understand about that?  Nothing else matters.
Guess putin isn't hillary either, so no problems working closely with him either...
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« Reply #1079 on: May 15, 2017, 09:38AM »

Now you are beginning to understand!
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