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« Reply #2260 on: Aug 31, 2017, 11:00AM »

If State finds Trump guilty of malfeasance, he can't be prosecuted as President of the US.  But it does do a few things:

1.  It makes his likelihood of reelection (or even renomination) much smaller.
2.  It makes the likelihood of impeachment larger.
3.  As soon as he leaves office, there may be US Marshals ready to cuff him and send him to where he's to stand trial.
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« Reply #2261 on: Aug 31, 2017, 11:05AM »

Laughter and crying intermittently heard coming from grave of George Orwell
 
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« Reply #2262 on: Aug 31, 2017, 11:28AM »


3.  As soon as he leaves office, there may be US Marshals ready to cuff him and send him to where he's to stand trial.

I'm seeing an end-of-term trip to some foreign country with a Trump property and no extradition treaty with the US.
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« Reply #2263 on: Aug 31, 2017, 11:49AM »

If State finds Trump guilty of malfeasance, he can't be prosecuted as President of the US.  But it does do a few things:

1.  It makes his likelihood of reelection (or even renomination) much smaller.
2.  It makes the likelihood of impeachment larger.
3.  As soon as he leaves office, there may be US Marshals ready to cuff him and send him to where he's to stand trial.

That's where Hillary belongs.  Evil
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« Reply #2264 on: Aug 31, 2017, 12:02PM »

That's where Hillary belongs.  Evil

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« Reply #2265 on: Aug 31, 2017, 04:49PM »

From the "That's how they got Capone" desk...

Mueller Enlists the IRS for His Trump-Russia Investigation

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Special counsel Bob Mueller has teamed up with the IRS. According to sources familiar with his investigation into alleged Russian election interference, his probe has enlisted the help of agents from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations unit.

This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities. Its 2,500 agents focus exclusively on financial crime, including tax evasion and money laundering. A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.
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And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.

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“The FBI’s expertise is spread out over so many statutes—and particularly since 9/11, where they really focused on counterintelligence and counterterror—that they simply don’t have the financial investigative expertise that the CI agents have,” Sheil continued. “When CI brings a case to a U.S. Attorney, it is done. It’s wrapped up with a ribbon and a bow. It’s just comprehensive.”




And from the "The Apple-in-law doesn't fall far from the tree" desk...

I didn't really understand the Jared Kushner problem until this article.

Basically, he way overpaid (borrowed money) for a Manhattan tower and needs lots of money, if not yesterday, in 18 months

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Basically the Kushner family owes hundreds of millions of dollars on this property that it really cannot hope to recoup by any business means. As this new article in Bloomberg explains, the plan – if you can call it that – seems to be to go even further into debt by demolishing the building, building a newer and better one and recouping the losses over the very long-term. As the Bloomberg piece understatedly and elegantly puts it, that means the money has to come from someone who isn’t interested in making a profit or maybe even holding on to their investment.

Short of outright corruption that might mean foreign money looking for a showpiece property in New York City or foreign money looking to get out of its unstable country of origin. Before the Trump campaign, Kushner was having a very hard time finding anyone who was interested – not surprisingly! That changed dramatically when he became top deputy to the President of the United States...
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« Reply #2266 on: Aug 31, 2017, 04:56PM »

"This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities."


But there's absolutely no secret police in the USA.
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« Reply #2267 on: Aug 31, 2017, 05:58PM »

It isn't Secret Police like the Stazi or the NKVD.  They are charged with a specific focus on direct threats to the Government.  If they make an arrest, the perp has the same rights as any other citizen.  Although I won't go so far as to claim there are no Star Courts.  But most of us don't need to worry about them.
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« Reply #2268 on: Aug 31, 2017, 07:22PM »

"This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities."


But there's absolutely no secret police in the USA.

But they are not police.  They don't make arrests. They don't detain people. They only make cases of evidence they compile.

And they are secretive because tax returns are private between the filer and the IRS.
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« Reply #2269 on: Sep 01, 2017, 08:14AM »

The White House has had a telephone since 1878 but this is probably the first time we had to worry that a President was using one without adult supervision.

Trump Reportedly Circumvents Kelly By Calling Friends On Personal Cell Phone

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As new chief of staff John Kelly tries to impose order in the White House by limiting the President’s impromptu conversations with friends and advisers, a defiant Donald Trump has taken to calling friends and outside advisers on his personal cell phone, circumventing Kelly’s attempt to vet calls and appointments, the Washington Post reported, citing unnamed people with knowledge of the calls.

Those in contact with Trump on his personal, unsecured cell phone when Kelly is not present include recently ousted chief strategist Steve Bannon, per the Washington Post...
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« Reply #2270 on: Sep 01, 2017, 10:27AM »

If only using a personal phone for public business had been some focus of a recent campaign...

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« Reply #2271 on: Sep 01, 2017, 10:36AM »

They had a similar problem with Obama, who was a Crackberry addict (used his Blackberry a LOT).

Andy has a good point.  The current crop of Republicans has a problem recognizing hypocrisy.
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« Reply #2272 on: Sep 01, 2017, 11:06AM »

They had a similar problem with Obama, who was a Crackberry addict (used his Blackberry a LOT).
Except that Obama has an adult mind.
 
Andy has a good point.  The current crop of Republicans has a problem recognizing hypocrisy.
On the GOP side I think it's mostly still limited to the far right--on the extreme, where it's always been, not just currently.
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« Reply #2273 on: Sep 01, 2017, 11:17AM »

With Obama, he understood what the problem was and let them give him a Blackberry with a limited account so he had to "go through channels".  I assume they monitored his contact list carefully.

And Hillary.  After exhaustive search of her server, they found about 10 messages that on retrospect were deemed Confidential (not labeled as such).  Also, her system of two accounts: one Government and one Private, was used by several of her Republican predecessors.
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« Reply #2274 on: Sep 01, 2017, 11:22AM »

Seems the hypocrisy may be increasing as we polarize, and as we shift right.
 
Liberals need to study conservative Churchspeak and how rephrasing/reframing and repetition work to dramatically shift thinking.
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« Reply #2275 on: Sep 01, 2017, 12:50PM »

Liberals need to study conservative Churchspeak and how rephrasing/reframing and repetition work to dramatically shift thinking.

Indeed. Have you read Lakoff's The Political Mind?
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« Reply #2276 on: Sep 01, 2017, 01:21PM »

Indeed. Have you read Lakoff's The Political Mind?

It's on the way to me right now--been reading Metaphors We Live By, Philosophy in the Flesh, and catching some vids on his website.
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« Reply #2277 on: Sep 01, 2017, 01:35PM »


Trump's Job Approval Stabilizing at Lower Level


Stabilizing. 

"Doctor, the patient's pulse has stabilized... it's zero"





What can he do to salvage this? I don't think starting a war will work this time.

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« Reply #2278 on: Sep 01, 2017, 09:26PM »

And some polling from the other side of the track...

Fox News Poll: Candid? Yes. Presidential? Not so much. Voters describe Trump

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President Donald Trump says what he thinks -- a majority agrees on that.  Maybe that’s part of the reason most don’t call him presidential....

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Fewer voters, about one-third, assign the clearly positive terms “competent” (35 percent), “strong leader” (35 percent), and “problem solver” (32 percent).

Three-in-10 say “knowledgeable” (31 percent), “honest” (30 percent), and “steady leader” (30 percent) define the president well.

Voters are least likely to call Trump “presidential” (25 percent), “moral leader” (25 percent), and “compassionate” (26 percent).

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Four other positive traits don’t fit Trump in the least, over half of voters say: “presidential” (56 percent), “moral leader” (55 percent), “compassionate” (53 percent), and “steady leader” (53 percent) -- apply to him “not at all...

So far, voters see Trump as sorely lacking the strong, compassionate, moral leadership necessary in these difficult times.”



Is this even a question anyone had to ask about previous presidents?

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37. Do you think Donald Trump is drawing the country together or tearing the country apart?

Drawing the country together  33%
Tearing the country apart        56
(Don’t know)                        11
                             



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24.-36. How well do you think each of the following words or phrases describe Donald Trump?  [RANDOMIZE LIST]

                     Extremely Very Somewhat Not at all (Don’t know)
Says what he thinks     65%     16      9        8            1
Bully                   39%     14     20       27            1
Unstable                33%     11     16       38            1
Outsider                30%     14     26       24            6
Competent               21%     14     19       45            1
Strong leader           21%     14     17       48            1
Problem solver          19%     13     20       47            1
Knowledgeable           16%     15     25       43            1
Steady leader           16%     14     17       53            1
Honest                  16%     14     19       50            2
Compassionate           15%     11     18       53            2
Moral leader            14%     11     19       55            2
Presidential            13%     12     18       56            1
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« Reply #2279 on: Sep 02, 2017, 02:43AM »

Is this even a question anyone had to ask about previous presidents?

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37. Do you think Donald Trump is drawing the country together or tearing the country apart?

Drawing the country together  33%
Tearing the country apart        56
(Don’t know)                        11


Probably could have applied to Lincoln, but the people he was alienating were not observing all the provisions of our Declaration.
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