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« on: Jan 29, 2017, 08:48PM »

To me, this is the most disturbing thing that Trump has done to date. (and that is saying a lot based on the many baffling executive orders he has made over the past several days)

He removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence and from the national security counsel and appointed Bannon to the committee.

AYKM? He has zero government, intelligence, or high-level military experience. And he leads a propaganda outlet (Breitbart News) that peddles nationalist and white nationalist viewpoints.

Everyone should have a problem with this. If they don't, I have no words.
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 29, 2017, 09:20PM »

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 29, 2017, 09:58PM »

No.

Dickerson - tell me why this is a great move.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 30, 2017, 04:52AM »

Definitely the most dangerous and ill thought out move so far by an administration that does little else. As I said in another thread, neither Frederick Forsythe or John LeCarre could have devised a spy plot line as convoluted or byzantine as the reality unfolding in our politics today.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 30, 2017, 10:51AM »

No.

Dickerson - tell me why this is a great move.

Who knows if it is a GREAT move, or not. Time will tell.

SA said:
"He removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence and from the national security counsel and appointed Bannon to the committee."

Yesterday on the Sunday shows, Preibus said that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence were given a standing invitation to attend any of the meetings that they wish, so, if that's true, it's not exactly true that they were 'removed'.

Now, I don't know if what Preibus said is true or not either, that's why I say, lets see what happens.

Trump's opposition doesn't like any of these guys, so I don't understand why the folderol. I guess that his opposition has to put up a fight about everything Trump does regardless.

Why am I called to comment anyway?
 
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 30, 2017, 10:54AM »

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Why am I called to comment anyway?
 

You are probably the only articulate member of the Conservatives (and not a troll). Good!
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 30, 2017, 11:01AM »

Because if anyone can explain why replacing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Director of National Intelligence with an alt-right blogger is a good idea you can.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 30, 2017, 11:25AM »

You are probably the only articulate member of the Conservatives (and not a troll). Good!

Thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 30, 2017, 11:46AM »

To Trump, Bannon is the most informed person he knows, because Bannon presents the narratives that Trump most wants to believe.

I wonder if anyone has ever convinced Donald that he was wrong on anything? It probably can't be done.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 30, 2017, 02:02PM »

I'd really like to see the totality of Bannon's service record. I hope there are people doing deep dives into the totality of his background. He is a truly evil man.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 30, 2017, 02:10PM »

Who knows if it is a GREAT move, or not. Time will tell.

SA said:
"He removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence and from the national security counsel and appointed Bannon to the committee."

Yesterday on the Sunday shows, Preibus said that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence were given a standing invitation to attend any of the meetings that they wish, so, if that's true, it's not exactly true that they were 'removed'.

Now, I don't know if what Preibus said is true or not either, that's why I say, lets see what happens.

Trump's opposition doesn't like any of these guys, so I don't understand why the folderol. I guess that his opposition has to put up a fight about everything Trump does regardless.

Why am I called to comment anyway?
 

What was said and what the original order says are not the same. Obfuscation.

Bannon is a racist and he has NO experience in national security. That doesn't bother you?  :(

Repubs and Demos alike are sounding the alarm over this ridiculous and unprecedented move.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 30, 2017, 04:58PM »

There is a tradition that political operatives are not placed on this council. There was a fair amount of controversy when David Axelrod was allowed just to attend the meetings, but even he was never named as a member.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 30, 2017, 06:43PM »

Who knows if it is a GREAT move, or not. Time will tell.

This sort of give-em-a-chance attitude was entirely absent among Republicans during Obama's two terms.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 30, 2017, 06:51PM »

Who knows if it is a GREAT move, or not. Time will tell.


That seems like a very juvenile and irresponsible attitude towards a very important position at the highest level of government.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 31, 2017, 01:48AM »

That seems like a very juvenile and irresponsible attitude towards a very important position at the highest level of government.

Yeah--"What the hell, let's give 'em a shot at it!"

It's astounding that the people who relentlessly bagged on the last president, often reflexively and for little or no reason, have gained a newfound respect for the office that they want to impose on everyone else.

If I were cynical, I'd almost think it was self-serving.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 31, 2017, 05:15AM »


 very juvenile and irresponsible 


and, there is Drumpfism at it's essence.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 31, 2017, 06:56AM »

I'd really like to see the totality of Bannon's service record. I hope there are people doing deep dives into the totality of his background. He is a truly evil man.

For fun, look up his involvement in the Biosphere 2 experiment in the '90s.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 31, 2017, 07:23AM »

Now, I don't know if what Preibus said is true or not either, that's why I say, lets see what happens.

Okay, hold it.  Now let me get this straight.  You think Trump's White House chief of staff may be a liar, and you seem okay with this.  Wasn't dishonesty your main objection to Clinton? 
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 31, 2017, 08:00AM »

Okay, hold it.  Now let me get this straight.  You think Trump's White House chief of staff may be a liar, and you seem okay with this.  Wasn't dishonesty your main objection to Clinton? 

That is different! Republicans will get more leeway with DD
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 31, 2017, 08:50AM »

Is this fellow's nickname 'Race'?  Don't know

http://questworld.wikia.com/wiki/Race_Bannon
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 31, 2017, 09:08AM »

Oh, man.  I loved Johnny Quest!  ROTFL
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Now, I don't know if what Preibus said is true or not either, that's why I say, lets see what happens.


Okay, hold it.  Now let me get this straight.  You think Trump's White House chief of staff may be a liar, and you seem okay with this.  Wasn't dishonesty your main objection to Clinton? 

I read DD as being more like, "One hand in the White House may not know what the other hand is doing."
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Is this fellow's nickname 'Race'?  Don't know

http://questworld.wikia.com/wiki/Race_Bannon


Steve Bannon is Race Bannon if Race Bannon had spent his entire life reading white supremacist fantasies on the internet while eating donuts instead of running, flying, swimming, judoing, diving and special agenting.


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« Reply #23 on: Jan 31, 2017, 12:40PM »

This is certainly worthy of consideration............This was shared by someone I admire greatly and I am passing it on. We are all being played and the worst is yet to come. Good people should stop blaming each other and we should all stand strong against evil.
"What is a shock event? How did Hitler and Lincoln use this PR device to unite forces and sow chaos in their opposition read on:
This I believe. There is an unknown motive behind this action and I fear it.
From Heather Richardson, professor of History at Boston College:
"I don't like to talk about politics on Facebook-- political history is my job, after all, and you are my friends-- but there is an important non-partisan point to make today.
What Bannon is doing, most dramatically with last night's ban on immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries-- is creating what is known as a "shock event."
Such an event is unexpected and confusing and throws a society into chaos. People scramble to react to the event, usually along some fault line that those responsible for the event can widen by claiming that they alone know how to restore order.
When opponents speak out, the authors of the shock event call them enemies. As society reels and tempers run high, those responsible for the shock event perform a sleight of hand to achieve their real goal, a goal they know to be hugely unpopular, but from which everyone has been distracted as they fight over the initial event. There is no longer concerted opposition to the real goal; opposition divides along the partisan lines established by the shock event.
Last night's Executive Order has all the hallmarks of a shock event. It was not reviewed by any governmental agencies or lawyers before it was released, and counterterrorism experts insist they did not ask for it. People charged with enforcing it got no instructions about how to do so. Courts immediately have declared parts of it unconstitutional, but border police in some airports are refusing to stop enforcing it.
Predictably, chaos has followed and tempers are hot.
My point today is this: unless you are the person setting it up, it is in no one's interest to play the shock event game. It is designed explicitly to divide people who might otherwise come together so they cannot stand against something its authors think they won't like.
I don't know what Bannon is up to-- although I have some guesses-- but because I know Bannon's ideas well, I am positive that there is not a single person whom I consider a friend on either side of the aisle-- and my friends range pretty widely-- who will benefit from whatever it is.
If the shock event strategy works, though, many of you will blame each other, rather than Bannon, for the fallout. And the country will have been tricked into accepting their real goal.
But because shock events destabilize a society, they can also be used positively. We do not have to respond along old fault lines. We could just as easily reorganize into a different pattern that threatens the people who sparked the event.
A successful shock event depends on speed and chaos because it requires knee-jerk reactions so that people divide along established lines. This, for example, is how Confederate leaders railroaded the initial southern states out of the Union.
If people realize they are being played, though, they can reach across old lines and reorganize to challenge the leaders who are pulling the strings. This was Lincoln's strategy when he joined together Whigs, Democrats, Free-Soilers, anti-Nebraska voters, and nativists into the new Republican Party to stand against the Slave Power.
Five years before, such a coalition would have been unimaginable. Members of those groups agreed on very little other than that they wanted all Americans to have equal economic opportunity. Once they began to work together to promote a fair economic system, though, they found much common ground. They ended up rededicating the nation to a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people."
Confederate leaders and Lincoln both knew about the political potential of a shock event. As we are in the midst of one, it seems worth noting that Lincoln seemed to have the better idea about how to use it."
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