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Question: Can you play an H
yes - 30 (73.2%)
no - 0 (0%)
maybe - 1 (2.4%)
perhaps - 2 (4.9%)
I don't know. - 1 (2.4%)
H should be banned! - 3 (7.3%)
I think so. - 4 (9.8%)
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« on: Feb 07, 2017, 05:38PM »

So I found out recently that there is a note called "H" used by some in German speaking areas.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 07, 2017, 05:44PM »

I find it very useful in sharp keys.  Especially in H Dur. :)

But I don't plan it -- I play it.  Comes between C and Bb.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 07, 2017, 05:49PM »

You mean my tuning note? 
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 07, 2017, 05:59PM »

You mean my tuning note? 

Oh, you have a High Pitch trombone? :-P
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 07, 2017, 06:13PM »

This is taken from a Wiki article in German, translated by Google and tweaked a bit by me. I hope the special characters will still look right.

"In the Middle Ages, the first seven letters of the alphabet were sufficient to characterize the tone inventory used. At the latest in the eleventh century, Guido of Arezzo established a cleavage of the tone B in a higher ( b durum ) and a deeper variant ( b molle ), characterized by an angular ♮ ( b squaerum ) and round ♭ ( b rotundum ) shape of the letter b. From the b quadratum today's resolution sign and the cross emerged, from the b rotundum the displacement sign b .

Because of the optical similarity of the b squareum with the letter h and the subsequent use of the printing type h for the b squareum, in the 16th century in Germany, Scandinavia, and the Westslaw region the designation H for the 7th stage of the basic scale was used ( which since Zarlino (1571) commonly started with C )."
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 07, 2017, 07:22PM »

I certainly can plan an H.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 07, 2017, 07:30PM »

I can plan an H, but what's the scale?

1" = 10'?
1" = 20'?
1" = 30'?
WWHWHWH ?

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« Reply #7 on: Feb 07, 2017, 07:34PM »

When I was in college taking Descriptive Geometry our prof used to tell us to plot an "H View".  We couldn't figure out what he was talking about.  He was Japanese, and with his accent, his "H View" was "Edge View".  Took us nearly to the end of the school year to figure that out. Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 07, 2017, 07:47PM »

I voted "perhaps" because it was there.

I can plan an H, and it's usually followed by owever.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 07, 2017, 11:22PM »

When I was in college taking Descriptive Geometry our prof used to tell us to plot an "H View".  We couldn't figure out what he was talking about.  He was Japanese, and with his accent, his "H View" was "Edge View".  Took us nearly to the end of the school year to figure that out. Yeah, RIGHT.

Geez, that reminds me of a geometry class I tried to take where the teacher (Chinese but from a southeast Asian country) kept going on about "the ahk" and "the ox".

Total chaos. The teacher spent the whole class facing the board as if we weren't there and the teen-somethings were all talking as if there was no teacher there.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 07, 2017, 11:48PM »

How else would we play shostakovich's signature (D, Es, C, H)?
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I had to get used to this working in Germany. It can get a little odd when you have international parts that have been corrected the "b" above a note and you have to work out if they mean "Bb" or "B natural/ H".

The German system uses "s" to signify flat and "is" to signify sharp.
C# is cis (spoken siss)
Eb is es (ess)
F## is fisis (fississ)
Ab is as (yep..)
Bb is however b and B is H.
B#? his (hiss)
Bbb was an argument we had at work the other day. My colleagues couldnt agree whether to call it Beses or Heses. Technically you could probably also say Bes but thag wiuld just confuse every one.

I think we ended up agreeing to call it beses amongst ourselves. There probably is a rule but we're trombonists, not musicologists.

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 09, 2017, 11:04AM »

If there is any one system I dislike and refuse to use, It's the European system that switched out B-natural for H.

HALLO!

H comes AFTER G!!!  Amazed
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 09, 2017, 04:57PM »

I subbed for a Ukranian pianist once on a cruise ship. He had scribbled through all the chords with a B root and wrote H above them.

H∆7#11. - actually, it was a 7 with a slash through it, so i kept playing dominant chords and wincing (what the %#$%, that's not right!) and played a good deal of that gig by ear the first couple of days until I figured it out. (The 7 with a slash through it means major 7 for some freaking reason in the same part of the world where H is used.)

seriously.

All the cues for cuts and repeats were in cyrillic as well. Fortunately there were a few people on board who could help me translate.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 09, 2017, 05:08PM »

Probably the only thing I like about using H is that it allowed Johann Sebastian Bach to spell his name in music (a famous fugue he wrote).  Otherwise I find it simply annoying.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 09, 2017, 05:13PM »

h makes a lot of sense. Just think of it as a neutral symbol (that's why it is called h).
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 09, 2017, 06:14PM »

I guess we're fortunate they didn't continue that practice as they discovered more sharps and flats or we'd have things like a sonata in L major.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 09, 2017, 06:28PM »

I guess we're fortunate they didn't continue that practice as they discovered more sharps and flats or we'd have things like a sonata in L major.

I wouldn't mind if they had discovered fewer sharps.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 09, 2017, 06:31PM »

I wouldn't mind if they had discovered fewer sharps.

And the alto saxophonists and Db piccolo players would prefer fewer flats... ;-)
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 09, 2017, 06:45PM »

And the alto saxophonists and Db piccolo players would prefer fewer flats... ;-)

Pretty sure they don't count  :D
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 09, 2017, 06:48PM »

Pretty sure they don't count  :D

No, they don't.  Always coming in early :-P
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