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« on: Feb 22, 2017, 06:32AM »

On the recommendation of Gabe Langfur I ordered a GB 1G Regular with a .312 throat and #2 back bore.  Greg confirmed that this will be a standard offering in his catalogue.  This mouthpiece centers very well, has plenty of core, has quick articulations, and is generally easier to play than the standard 1G I had been trying.  Iíve only spent a couple hours on it so far and I'm looking forward to using it this week and weekend for a few things I have coming up.  It is not a huge departure from the GP6 Iíve been using, it does stay darker and more centered in the high range which is a problem I had with the GP6.  I will report back after spending some more time on it.  Thanks Gabe and Greg for the recommendation and working with me to get me this piece.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 23, 2017, 06:36AM »

 Good! Enjoy!
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 26, 2017, 01:15PM »

That is the ticket! Everyone that tried the .312 #2 at TMEA left with it.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 26, 2017, 07:42PM »

I'm not surprised Zach.  I played a church gig, 10 piece gig, and a brass band concert with it this weekend and it really does work well.  Thanks again to Gabe and Greg.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 26, 2017, 11:18PM »

If I've been very happy with a stock 1 1/8GM, should I try the new version?
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 27, 2017, 06:22AM »

If you've been very happy? Maybe not. There are certainly people and horns that work very well with Greg's original designs.

If you have any sense that it's needing more air than you really want to give, if you have any feeling like you'd like a little more focus to the pitch center, if you would like the high register to be a little easier and more focused, then yes.

I liked the medium weight with his standard throat and backbore. With these I like to go lighter - regular or custom in between regular and light.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 27, 2017, 11:03AM »

I second everything Gabe mentioned and will add the articulations are a little quicker on this version.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 25, 2017, 04:04PM »

Loving this mouthpiece! I just received the medium weight version of the OP and also just came from a Griego GP6. I third the comments of this mouthpiece. I'm very impressed with the response in the upper register, it sings and centers much easier. The lower register has a lot of meat to the sound while still being responsive and flexible.

Thanks to Zac for putting me in touch with Greg!
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 25, 2017, 04:35PM »

In a blind study, this was the preferred mouthpiece of the three dachshunds that tolerate my noise making in the house.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 25, 2017, 09:10PM »

Been using mine for a couple days.

I like it a lot so far-

Better response, especially at lower dynamics
More highs in the sound- less tubby
Clearer articulations
Better high range, even with larger rim

However, coming from the 1 1/8GM, the new piece will take some getting used to. I can't just dump air at my horn and get volume upon volume, especially down low. A combination of the normal weight and smaller throat, I'm sure. Also, it put my horn a little out of balance- I started using a smaller leadpipe to tame the 1 1/8GM, but it feels a little too small with the 1G .312 #2.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 26, 2017, 07:32AM »

I am using the 2 leadpipe and was using a 3SS before.  Playing loud is easier in one sense because you don't have to work as hard but it does take some adjustment.  As others have said the high range and articulations are easy and there is plenty of core in the sound.  The other thing I've noticed is that I play "pretty" better.  I realize that might mean different things to different people but it's they only way I can think of to describe it.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 26, 2017, 07:04PM »

I started using a smaller leadpipe to tame the 1 1/8GM, but it feels a little too small with the 1G .312 #2.

I did exactly the same thing when I was playing a 1-1/8GM, going to a Shires B1.5 from the B2 I had played for years. The B2 is better with the .312 #2 combination, but now I'm really enjoying the Brass Ark MV50, which feels sort of in between but with a more elastic slot, if that makes any sense.
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 28, 2017, 06:34PM »

I have this mouthpiece and I love it, thinking about taking it down to lightweight though.
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 28, 2017, 07:20PM »

Before you take it to lightweight try the "*" weight. It is in between the regular and light and works really well!!
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 28, 2017, 11:05PM »

So far the normal weight feels great. I played Shostakovich 11 last night and the piece worked everywhere. 11 has some very soft, exposed moment and many loud, exposed moments (and not much in between). The soft stuff was actually possible on the 1G, and the loud stuff was easier.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 29, 2017, 06:38AM »

As Burgerbob points out this mouth piece does respond in soft dynamics well.  It is easier to blend well in brass band and big band both.  One piece to do both easily is a big bonus.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 29, 2017, 03:30PM »

I'm on a medium weight and you guys are tempting me to get a regular weight.........
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 29, 2017, 04:56PM »

I have a 1 1/8G and a 1G coming in .312 #2. I am playing a lot more and I am finally feeling like I can play this larger sized piece.
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 29, 2017, 05:44PM »

I have a 1 1/8G and a 1G coming in .312 #2. I am playing a lot more and I am finally feeling like I can play this larger sized piece.

Let us know what you think.  I predict that you'll like it.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2017, 03:49PM »

Finally made the switch to my more open slide today. Definitely better with the smaller backbore and throat.

Funnily enough, it was the Brassark NY50 that feels too tight.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2017, 04:51PM »

Finally made the switch to my more open slide today. Definitely better with the smaller backbore and throat.

Funnily enough, it was the Brassark NY50 that feels too tight.

Damn.... really? Might not be for me then.... Im very happy with how my brassark pipe is going.
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2017, 06:24PM »

You're on an Eddie dual bore though, not a stock "who knows how well this was built in the first place" Bach slide. I'm sure the NY50 would feel better to me on a different slide.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2017, 07:00PM »

You're on an Eddie dual bore though, not a stock "who knows how well this was built in the first place" Bach slide. I'm sure the NY50 would feel better to me on a different slide.

Ha! Didn't think of it like that. Thats a good bach slide description  :D
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2017, 04:36AM »

I have a 1 1/8G and a 1G coming in .312 #2. I am playing a lot more and I am finally feeling like I can play this larger sized piece.

Didn't you have Greg make a special mouthpiece for you that was THE piece?
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2017, 08:56AM »

Yep and that is what I still prefer :). I am just not a bigger mp guy.
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2017, 04:59PM »

I have found over the years that "THE" mouthpiece is only "THE" mouthpiece until something that plays better comes along.
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2017, 05:32AM »

Yep and that is what I still prefer :). I am just not a bigger mp guy.

Yes but you stated that you have 2 bigger mouthpieces that what you play on order. Why waste the money? Or is your in between size larger than a 1???
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2017, 08:16AM »

I bought them...got them, and didn't like them as much as my 1 5/16ths... Was that hard to understand via the context?
I wanted to try a good bigger mp and see if it worked. It didn't. So I sold them. I lost no money in the deal.
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2017, 09:31AM »

Unless I misunderstood here's what I got. First you spent time with Greg making a piece specifically for your needs as he didn't offer anything in his mouthpiece line that would fit your chops. You received the mouthpiece, sent it back for an adjustment, received and back and proclaimed that it was just what you wanted! Did all that was needed. THEN you order 2 more mouthpieces of different sizes to "check them out." If I have the sequence correct that just seems puzzling to me. Not a big deal just always curious when one proclaims to have THE horn or THE mouthpiece only to find out they've been checking out other things.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2017, 09:53AM »

I have a 1 1/8G and a 1G coming in .312 #2. I am playing a lot more and I am finally feeling like I can play this larger sized piece.
This is why I was trying something new....
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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2017, 07:41PM »

Not a big deal just always curious when one proclaims to have THE horn or THE mouthpiece only to find out they've been checking out other things.

Seems like the owners of MV 1-1/2Gs are always checking out other things too... Evil
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2017, 08:38PM »

Seems like the owners of MV 1-1/2Gs are always checking out other things too... Evil

Yet like the swallows to Capistrano....
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2017, 09:51PM »

Seems like the owners of MV 1-1/2Gs are always checking out other things too... Evil
Touchť. However if I'd taken the time to design a mouthpiece and proclaim it to be the one I'm not sure I'd try something outside of that range.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2017, 09:30AM »

I've got a shelf full of mouthpieces that were "the one"! Such is life - it's only money. It's not like I have any of that anyway! The search continues!

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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2017, 10:18AM »

Why are some people so concerned with what other people are doing? We should worry about ourselves.
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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2017, 12:34PM »

Why are some people so concerned with what other people are doing? We should worry about ourselves.

I'm very concerned about you.  :D
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2017, 11:11PM »

I didn't know that my proclamations were so important. Remind me to keep my mouth shut.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2017, 12:32AM »

Seems like the owners of MV 1-1/2Gs are always checking out other things too... Evil

Not all of them  ;-)
There is a difference between a great mouthpiece and THE mouthpiece... I've been lucky enough to own many great mouthpieces and now I'm stuck on THE mouthpiece.
It owns me as much  as I own it.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2017, 10:33AM »

Right now of the 50 plus models of mouthpieces I own this Greg Black is THE mouthpiece.  I had a Mt. Vernon 1 1/2G back in the day that I loaned to someone and never got it back (sure wish I could remember who).  I remember that it was different than the other two that I had but it was never THE mouthpiece for me.  With that said, we all certainly do evolve as players and many times with that evolution comes changes in equipment.  No matter how you find THE mouthpiece don't limit yourself by refusing to try anything else as you may miss something that lets you make music easier.
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2017, 05:48PM »

Playing the 1G in all sorts of situations lately, including my recital prep (1 week from today!). So far, and of course it's too soon to tell, I'm having a hard time finding any real downsides like I have with my last few pieces. The high range is more natural, the low range is more natural, and my sound blends with tenors to a higher level (just played a few hours with the quartet this weekend).

Can't wait for those downsides to crop up :)
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2017, 09:46PM »

Before you take it to lightweight try the "*" weight. It is in between the regular and light and works really well!!

I'll have to ask him about that, I'm going to be driving up to his shop in a couple weeks.
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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2017, 05:00PM »

In the spirit of full discloser I have gone back to the Griego GP6.  The Greg Black is a great mouthpiece but for me I like the rim and middle register on the GP6 more.  Certainly either is worth a look if you're in the market for a new piece.
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2017, 06:00PM »

I'm still using mine. It is only getting better with practice. I can get a good snap out of it in all registers when needed, but not if I don't want. That's hard to find in the average piece.
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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2017, 09:56PM »

I've moved into a 0GM, .312", #2. Never thought I'd be able to play a large piece but it works for me without much sacrifice (or nothing that practice can't restore  :/ )
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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2017, 07:59PM »

Can somebody tell me how I can get one of these bad boys?
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« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2017, 09:56PM »

^contact Dillon, Virtosity (in Boston), or one of his other dealers to see if they have one in stock. If not contact Greg or me if you can't get a hold of him and I will get it ordered for you.
Facebook is a good way to contact him.
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« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2017, 08:35PM »

I got a regular weight 1G .312" #2 and a regular weight 1 1/4 .312 #2 on trial a week ago (I've been playing a Pickett 1.75 recently, and played a Minick L before that).

While I realize that no mouthpiece will be the magic mouthpiece that will fix all of my problems, I am a BIG fan of the 1G.

I always liked the sound of standard Greg Black pieces, but never felt I was able to supply the air to fuel these and make them sound right consistently (and I am a big guy... 6'4"). The .312"/#2 combo seems to maintain the Greg Black sound I love while also not requiring quite the same volume of air to get consistent results.

The 1 1/4G is also very nice, but I think I'll be sticking with the 1G.

I strongly second the recommendation to check out Virtuosity in Boston. Really nice store, and Steve the owner is a great guy I am happy to support. When I called a week ago, all of the larger Greg Black mouthpieces they had were .312"/#2.
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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2017, 06:24AM »

I always liked the sound of standard Greg Black pieces, but never felt I was able to supply the air to fuel these and make them sound right consistently (and I am a big guy... 6'4"). The .312"/#2 combo seems to maintain the Greg Black sound I love while also not requiring quite the same volume of air to get consistent results.

My experience exactly.

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I strongly second the recommendation to check out Virtuosity in Boston. Really nice store, and Steve the owner is a great guy I am happy to support. When I called a week ago, all of the larger Greg Black mouthpieces they had were .312"/#2.

Yes, Steve Johnson and his crew at Virtuosity are making the effort and investing the money to do it right, with good, well-chosen stock and excellent customer service. Now that Rayburn has closed their retail store (I believe they still do school rentals out of a warehouse), Virtuosity is the only place in the city of Boston to buy brass instruments and accessories. They carry Bach, Conn and Edwards new, and have a pretty good used stock as well (though it's impossible to compete with Dillon's on that front). You still have to go to the factory to try any new Shires, but that's just an hour outside the city.

And they just placed a second order with Greg  Good!
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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2017, 06:28AM »

From a Pickett 1.75 to a Black 1g?  That's a huge jump.  Not sure I could handle such a move.   Amazed
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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2017, 06:41AM »

From a Pickett 1.75 to a Black 1g?  That's a huge jump.  Not sure I could handle such a move.   Amazed

You may be surprised! A big rim with an efficient underpart doesn't always feel big, at least to me.  I mixed up an MB111 with my EUPH104N last night (played the 111 thinking it was the 104) because of how efficiently the Elliott underpart works for me.  YMMV of course!
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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2017, 06:50AM »

I'm no stranger to large mouthpieces and have used some with moderate success.  Never cared for the Black 1.25.  Always seemed MUCH bigger than a 1.25.  Preferred even the Parker Dunkel mouthpiece which is supposedly bigger.  Maybe if someone near me has one, I'll try it.  Otherwise, I think it's out of my league.

Awesome to know some people are having a great experience with it though!
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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2017, 07:03AM »

The 1.25 is definitely on the bigger side in Black's lineup.
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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2017, 08:52AM »


And they just placed a second order with Greg  Good!


I called them up - I'll be making a trip down a week from Saturday - they should have the new GB stock in by then.  Can't wait!
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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2017, 12:28PM »

From a Pickett 1.75 to a Black 1g?  That's a huge jump.  Not sure I could handle such a move.   Amazed

It is not as huge of a leap as it seems at first, but I did get the 1 1/4 out of concern regarding this.

Pickett's numbering system is a bit strange. Their 1 is roughly equal rim wise to a Black 0, 1.3 to a Black 1. Pickett 1.75 would be a 1 5/16 with Black (Pickett is 1.107", Black 1 1/4 is 1.122" and 1 3/8 is 1.098"). With the smaller throat and backbore on the Black, for me they play easier and more efficiently than the Pickett mouthpieces, and I have preferred the 1G over the 1 1/4G both in feel and what I am hearing when I record.

Also, it is worth noting that the regular weight Greg Black Mouthpieces are significantly lighter than the standard Pickett mouthpiece.
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« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2017, 02:15PM »

Interesting.  I have a Pickett 1.5 and I don't find the thirst all that large.  Is it really larger than Greg's pieces?
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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2017, 02:53PM »

Interesting.  I have a Pickett 1.5 and I don't find the thirst all that large.  Is it really larger than Greg's pieces?

I don't know the specs for throat size and backbore comparing Pickett vs Greg Black. For rim size, yes a 1.5 Pickett is quite a bit larger than a 1.5 Black (1.127" vs 1.063").

For me, the .312"/#2 combo is just a better fit. Don't know if that is about balance between large rim/deep cup and the throat/backbore size, or the thinner rim on the Greg Black, or the lighter weight on Greg Black or a combination of all of the above.
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« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2017, 04:17PM »

Yes, I'm very familiar with the Pickett mouthpieces.  I should have clarified what I meant.  It sounds like you're saying similarly sized Pickett mouthpieces are larger at the back end compared to the Greg Black you're playing now.  Is that correct?

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« Reply #57 on: Jun 01, 2017, 08:52PM »

Yes, I'm very familiar with the Pickett mouthpieces.  I should have clarified what I meant.  It sounds like you're saying similarly sized Pickett mouthpieces are larger at the back end compared to the Greg Black you're playing now.  Is that correct?


When I say smaller throat and backbore I am referring to the .312/#2 Black vs a standard Black.

I have never seen statistics on throat sizes for Pickett and my digital calipers do not reach into the throat of a mouthpiece. I can not tell much of a difference between the throats/backbores on .312/#2 Black and my Pickett, though.

I can tell you though
- The Greg Black rim is thinner, which for me is more comfortable
- the Pickett is significantly heavier (189 grams for pickett vs 139 g for Black)
- Greg Black cup is deeper
- for me, the Greg Black plays much better, and everyone I have played it for agrees
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« Reply #58 on: Jun 02, 2017, 05:07AM »

When I say smaller throat and backbore I am referring to the .312/#2 Black vs a standard Black.

I can tell you though
- The Greg Black rim is thinner, which for me is more comfortable
- the Pickett is significantly heavier (189 grams for pickett vs 139 g for Black)
- Greg Black cup is deeper
- for me, the Greg Black plays much better, and everyone I have played it for agrees

Gotcha!  Thanks for sharing your input/experiences!
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« Reply #59 on: Jun 22, 2017, 02:36PM »

After having spent more than 5 years on the Hammond 21, I felt it was time to try out something new. I liked and still do like my Hammonds, but feel the sound is very "locked in" not flexible enough. So over the span of more than one year I tried a lot of what there is available in the Schilke 60 size, also a bit smaller and larger.


Laskey 93
Laskey 95
Greg Black 1
Greg Black 1 #2 backbore
Greg Black 1 1/8
Doug Elliot (don't remember specs unfortunately)
Giddings and Webster Don Harwood
Harwood.


They are all great products and there are many of them who had great features that could have made them my main mouthpiece but for me personally the GB1 #2 (0.312) was not it. I tied it with the hope that it would keep the great features of the standard GB but was a bit more focused and had more clarity. That was however not the case in my experience.


To me it felt like it a lot more "friendly" in terms of control and comfort but seemed to lose the GB qualities, especially that super massive dark sound that I was used to.

I hope to have another chance to try one of those, as too many great players use those now to ignore the trend,but of me it  was a strangly unsatisfying mouthpiece. Don't know

Again, just MY experience.









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« Reply #60 on: Jun 22, 2017, 03:03PM »

bbone1 you're running out of different mouthpieces to try! You think you'll ever find your Rushmore?
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« Reply #61 on: Jun 22, 2017, 04:11PM »

I think I am all set now, but I really wanted something that kept up the good qualities of the Hammond but allowed me to have some more flexibility in sound. Many great options out there.
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« Reply #62 on: Jun 22, 2017, 04:50PM »

I've done simple play tests versus my old go to's once in a while and I'll keep playing the GB 1G 2.0 for the next year/season.

When we start going into the nuances of timbre, flexibility of sound, etc. I am reminded of an old piano accompanist/organist that I worked with years ago and highly respected (and still do). During a rehearsal for a recital (it may have been the Hindemith Three Pieces for cello), after listening to me try different styles of articulation and phrasing and comparing the renditions of different cellists, he simply replied "It just sounds like a bass trombone to me."

Wise words.

As always, play in tune, on time, and with a good sound.
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