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« on: Mar 06, 2017, 03:57PM »

I want to buy a new horn. Currently I have a yamaha 356g.I have to choose between a xeno yamaha ysl 882O(I have money it now ) and a Bach 42AF ( provided that collecting more money and wait more time) What to do ?
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 06, 2017, 04:13PM »

I'd choose the Yamaha, although you may want to consider the 882OR as well.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 06, 2017, 04:26PM »

The Yamaha will be just fine!

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 07, 2017, 01:02AM »

What has your teacher suggested?
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 07, 2017, 01:58AM »

The Yamaha Xeno is a very good horn!
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 07, 2017, 03:39AM »

I would go with the Yamaha. It is a very nice horn!
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 07, 2017, 07:51AM »

The Xeno is a an amazing horn!!!
I've been very satisfied with it
The slide slots very well and it projects well too
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 07, 2017, 11:33AM »

Arguments please ?
Bach vs Yamaha and
Gold vs Yellow bell
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 07, 2017, 12:03PM »

Bach's consistency is spotty.  It's best if you can play test it before buying.

Yamaha has very good consistency.  If you have to buy sight unseen you will do better.

If I remember correctly, you have to buy online.  That says "Yamaha".

Gold vs. yellow?  I tend to be a bit bright and the gold brass tends to tame it a little.  Most people do best on a yellow brass bell.  Regardless of what you buy you will adapt to it.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 07, 2017, 12:48PM »

Gold brass is darker than yellow brass. I've tried both the gold and yellow brass Xenos but personally liked the gold brass better.
It all depends on your personal preferences though. You'll have to see for yourself. Don't know

Yes, BGuttman is correct about Bach's consistency being spotty. I tried one at the store and it was far below the Xenos. But I am sure there are ones that are magical.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 07, 2017, 01:13PM »

The 882OR is a Bach-style horn so if you are looking for that vibe the 882OR may suit your fancy. I play on an 882GO and really love the sound I get, but I've made mods to it: I had M&W Trombones put their bracing on to free up the bell and they replaced my slide's yellow end crook with a nickel silver one. I also have a nickel silver wide slide I purchased from a forum member a while ago that I enjoy using.

But that's neither here not there - either 882O or 882OR in yellow or gold brass may last you the rest of your playing career - they're that good. Choose one and enjoy!
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 08, 2017, 07:32AM »

The 882OR is a good lot more expensive than the O and GO, actually around the same as the Stradivarius 42B.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 08, 2017, 09:29AM »

DJ has some very nice Elkie 88H's including a 1955!
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 08, 2017, 09:34AM »

DJ has some very nice Elkie 88H's including a 1955!

What's it going to take to ship to Romania?
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 08, 2017, 09:43AM »

What's it going to take to ship to Romania?

It is currently here in the UK!
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 08, 2017, 03:53PM »

So , Yamaha is the best choice for me ?  Most pro players play on bach , yamaha horns and bach horns they are the same level ? Difference is 1600Euro ,is not very much . But is really hard choice .
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 08, 2017, 04:19PM »

Personally,in my own experience you cannot go too wrong with bach... I have played a few bachs that were not awesome so I agree if possible, it is best to have a play on a specific one before buying it. Bachs tend to be very versatile, it is easy to play them in a variety of situations. There is nothing wrong with the yamaha so whatever you choose you will not go wrong, but i agree that a lot of people play bach, and that should tell you something.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 08, 2017, 04:41PM »

So , Yamaha is the best choice for me ?  Most pro players play on bach , yamaha horns and bach horns they are the same level ? Difference is 1600Euro ,is not very much . But is really hard choice .

Most pro players nowadays play on Shires, Edwards, and Rath.

There are pro players on Yamaha 882 and on Bach 42 also.  And on Courtois, and Thein.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 08, 2017, 09:04PM »

So , Yamaha is the best choice for me ?  Most pro players play on bach , yamaha horns and bach horns they are the same level ? Difference is 1600Euro ,is not very much . But is really hard choice .
Well, to me 1600 euro is quite a  lot.

First off, don't worry about what pro's play.  A lot of pro's are exceptionally talented quirky people and can and will play on the most weird stuff, just because it suits them in some way ... that may not suit you.

For me, trying an instrument is the best way for me to decide what I can work with.  I usually rent one for a while (1 or 2 months) before making a decision to buy.

What do you have available locally to try?  Can you get a Yamaha and a Bach in your hands to try out?  Personally I've met a few Bachs I like (very few), but nearly every Yamaha I have tried has been a great horn.

Also, if you have the opportunity, see if you can try an XO Brass 1236.  The 1236RL-O is my personal favorite.  They may look superficially like Conn trombones, but they play very much like Yamahas and usually cost a bit less.  All the XO Brass trombones I've played have been built to the highest standards and have truly amazing consistency between individual horns.  Even better consistency than Yamaha, in my opinion.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 09, 2017, 01:21AM »

Most pro players nowadays play on Shires, Edwards, and Rath.

There are pro players on Yamaha 882 and on Bach 42 also.  And on Courtois, and Thein.

Many pro's still play the 88H both here in the UK and in europe!
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