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« Reply #20 on: Mar 10, 2017, 04:07PM »

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 10, 2017, 04:36PM »

no one mentioned Benge
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 10, 2017, 04:51PM »

He originally asked for a comparison of the Yamaha 882 versus a Bach 42A (Hagmann).

There are certainly lots of other great trombones out there.

Also, availability in Romania (where TromboneFantasy lives) may be an issue.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2017, 03:31PM »

Hickey's Music it's a good shop ? What shop from USA  recommended ?
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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2017, 08:35AM »

I bought a Yamaha Xeno 882O a couple months ago and I'm loving it. All I had owned before was a 40+ year old King 606 (which has served me very well), so it was a huge step up for my orchestral/symphonic playing. I tried the 6 or 7 trombones they had at my local store, which were Conn88, Eastman 820, Bach42, the Yamaha 882O and some others I can't remember the names of. It ended up being between the Yamaha and the Eastman, the Eastman being ~$700 cheaper and with a nicer case, but I ended up going with the Yamaha as I couldn't stand the wide hand slide and I was convinced it had a slightly nicer sound.

After a couple months with it, I can tell you it's very responsive and resonant and I'm happy with my purchase. I would definitely recommend trying whatever you buy first, if possible though.
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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2017, 08:43AM »

Hickey's Music it's a good shop ? What shop from USA  recommended ?

The Horn Guys (www.hornguys.com) are excellent.
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2017, 07:40PM »

He originally asked for a comparison of the Yamaha 882 versus a Bach 42A (Hagmann).

There are certainly lots of other great trombones out there.

Also, availability in Romania (where TromboneFantasy lives) may be an issue.

I think he's talking about the 42AF, which has the Infinity axial flow valve (like a Thayer only better). 

If it were my call, I'd choose the Bach, but I prefer axial flow valves to rotary.  I play tested an 8820 alongside a Getzen 3047AF, and while I preferred the Getzen, I certainly didn't think the 8820 was a bad horn.  I also haven't played on a 42AF, so I don't know how it would compare to a 3047, but I'd guess that it'd be very similar.
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 10, 2017, 07:35PM »

I've dragged my kid (3 years trombone experience / one year euphonium) into about a billion music stores now and he has tried a bunch of horns ranging from $500 USD to $4,000 USD....Vintage and new Conn, new and slightly used Bach, new Yamaha, new and used Getzen, King, Eastman and a few others.  "Try  a Bach."  "Try a King."  "Try a Yamaha." is what I heard.

So we tried a bunch of Bachs and every one of them sounded lousy on him....Out of the entire bunch of 0.525, dual bore, and 0.547 horns tested from all of those brands I mentioned, the ONLY two horns that sounded good on him were a vintage Conn 88H   Good! (similar to the current 88HT configuration), and a new dual bore Conn 56H.  We ended up with a vintage Conn which had had some damage, but which had been repaired very well.  Spent less than $2,000 USD. (Final price is confidential).  And it was the third cheapest horn he had tried out of the entire lot.  (Cheaper than the new 56H and sounded better).

On this very forum, I had people cringing that I would even consider purchasing an irreplaceable vintage Conn Elkhart horn for my 12 year old son. Other forum participants who have used the Conns think that the Bach's are superior instruments.  Some said the horn was too big for him.  Others said that Conn was a great instrument and that my son would grow into it soon enough.  There was lots of disagreement.....but when I listen to my son play, I know we made the right choice.

Key Leanings:  Even though the TTF participants generally have a good idea of which instruments are manufactured consistently well (Yamaha for example), which are manufactured consistently poorly (some Chinese horns), and which are manufactured inconsistently (Bach for example), no one really knows which horn is best for you......because no one else has either your chops or your lungs. The best advice from anyone on this forum (and it was actually pretty frequent advice) was simply, try playing every instrument you can.  The horn is a big investment.....not so much because of the price tag, but because you are going to be playing that thing for at least an hour a day for the next decade. 

When I was a kid, we used to try out our friends' instruments.  Sounds like people nowadays think that is disrespectful or illicit.  I don't get it.  If we had any interest in sanitation, we wouldn't be musicians.  Between my sax and my son's trombone, and his teachers tuba, spit is all over the place.  Do you know any other horn players with trombones you could try? 

If you really don't have access to trying out any other horns, I highly recommend buying a used trombone that you think you could sell again within the next year or two.   If you haven't tried the horn before you purchase it, your chance of disappointment is high, regardless of any reviews.   I have an old clunky saxophone that is heavy, not well balanced and has issues with certain keys.  It sounds great, but is really hard to play on the high notes........The problem is that when I go down to the local music store to try the pristine Yamaha, I get a pure, clean sound quality that is completely devoid of any character.  I hate it.   I don't really care that the keys on the Yamaha are easier to use.....or that the Yamaha is much lighter......or that the Yamaha is much better balanced......or that Yamaha currently has the best reputation in saxophones....or that the instrument has incredible reviews....  I am not spending money on a Yamaha despite all of its "superiority"........A Yamaha is the wrong instrument for me, but it is still a really, really good sax.  There are some incredible musicians that play Yamahas.

I think you get the point.  Start cheap or buy a horn you can resell if you are not able to play it first. 

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