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« Reply #100 on: Mar 22, 2017, 02:04PM »

by definition high register requires less quantities of air.
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« Reply #101 on: Mar 22, 2017, 03:07PM »

If I only could find the post from Ralph Sauer how to hit high notes. It was a bit funny but I'm sure effective. If I remember correct it was about short high notes and he told to use the same muscles as when sitting on the toilet...it had something to do with air :-0 But I dont remember exactly what words he used.

My take on high notes must be read with a lot of salt since its my struggle number one  :/

I believe how we use the air is important. Maybe less than we think but with lot of support. The vocal is best with eeeee. Embouchure muscles around the mouth should point in to the center of the buzz.

Well, again read with lot of salt....I cant play high. I can in fact play chords up to the very high D. But cant play safe over the high G above the staff. The problem is I cant get it controlled even if I can hit them.

Low end also has a lot to do with using the air not to much, but also not to little.

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« Reply #102 on: Mar 22, 2017, 03:15PM »

Leif,

I've found that both on trumpet and trombone, breath attacks and the so called sub-tones help with accuracy in high register.
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« Reply #103 on: Mar 23, 2017, 06:53AM »

Please define "proper support" b/c I am led to believe there are some here who erroneously feel there is no need for it.

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Geezer,
I've heard Philip play, he really knows his stuff.  His high range is amazing.

I personally don't know how to define proper support.  I believe it is important but I also think when you tell someone to support, without being there in person to show them what you mean, that they always interpret that to tense the abdominal muscles like they were going to be punched, and I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

I guess you could do an experiment.  Hold a high note, one above where you can play loud.  Focus your attention on your abdomen, consciously relax it, and slowly add a small amount of firmness and see what happens to the note.  If you build yourself a bad habit trying this don't blame me. 
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« Reply #104 on: Mar 23, 2017, 06:56AM »

If I only could find the post from Ralph Sauer how to hit high notes. It was a bit funny but I'm sure effective. If I remember correct it was about short high notes and he told to use the same muscles as when sitting on the toilet...it had something to do with air :-0 But I dont remember exactly what words he used.

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The quote I heard was attributed to Dominick Sperra, a trumpet player of note in the 70s.  It's second hand but my brother was at his clinic.  He may have stolen it from Ralph.  Or, vice versa. 

He said, "Hold the 50 cent piece in.  (in your bottom)  And don't make change!" 

In David Vining's book on breathing, he talks about the pelvic floor as being like a second diaphragm. 
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« Reply #105 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:08AM »

Leif,
The quote I heard was attributed to Dominick Sperra, a trumpet player of note in the 70s.  It's second hand but my brother was at his clinic.  He may have stolen it from Ralph.  Or, vice versa. 

He said, "Hold the 50 cent piece in.  (in your bottom)  And don't make change!" 

In David Vining's book on breathing, he talks about the pelvic floor as being like a second diaphragm. 

Rather contradictory to your poo-pooing breath support, eh?

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« Reply #106 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:12AM »

Rather contradictory to your poo-pooing breath support, eh?

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Geezer,

Conventional wisdom 50 years ago was to tighten the stomach muscles as much as possible.

That is no longer in style, and some believe it may have been the cause of the rash of hernias in trumpet players.

I've been reluctant to give my ideas of breath support but I guess I will share them for your ridicule, next chance I get. 
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« Reply #107 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:14AM »

Geezer,

Conventional wisdom 50 years ago was to tighten the stomach muscles as much as possible.

That is no longer in style, and some believe it may have been the cause of the rash of hernias in trumpet players.

I've been reluctant to give my ideas of breath support but I guess I will share them for your ridicule, next chance I get. 

That believe is on you. Maybe it's the pain meds.

Who says?

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« Reply #108 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:15AM »

Rather contradictory to your poo-pooing breath support, eh?

...Geezer

OMG  :/ Next thing to do - WC trombone method book  Amazed
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« Reply #109 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:31AM »

An aperture is a three dimensional tunnel.  An orifice is a two dimensional hole in a thin flat plate. 
Not sure where your definitions come from.  They don't seem to agree with accepted definitions of these words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_(disambiguation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orifice
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« Reply #110 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:49AM »

OMG  :/ Next thing to do - WC trombone method book  Amazed

What is "WC"? I tried Googling "WC trombone method book" and got nothing.

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« Reply #111 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:54AM »

What is "WC"? I tried Googling "WC trombone method book" and got nothing.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flush_toilet
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« Reply #112 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:54AM »

Not sure where your definitions come from.  They don't seem to agree with accepted definitions of these words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_(disambiguation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orifice

I guess I'm at risk for "ridiculing" Tim, but maybe it's his passive-aggressive style of expression and I paraphrase: "I can't find the source, but I kinda, sorta think he meant...", or "I can't take the time to find the exact quote, but I maybe, sorta, kinda think he meant...", or "My memory isn't what it used to be, but I kinda, sorta, maybe think it went something like this...".  ;-)

I'm kinda, sorta, much more inclined to give credence to a thought that is more concretely expressed.  Evil

Anyway, to paraphrase Pre59 in another thread, the subject of high-range development will surely come up again and again and again. Maybe we will get it right next time!  Amazed

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« Reply #113 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:55AM »


I don't get it.

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« Reply #114 on: Mar 23, 2017, 07:58AM »

Well...while you were brainstorming over the pooing concept...maybe we should change the practice room to a more convenient room....nevertheless, a long handslide could be a problem.

Could be it was a bad joke :-0
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« Reply #115 on: Mar 23, 2017, 08:07AM »

What is "WC"? I tried Googling "WC trombone method book" and got nothing.

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WC = Water Closet ... (toilet, maybe?)...
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« Reply #116 on: Mar 23, 2017, 08:18AM »

WC = Water Closet ... (toilet, maybe?)...

Oh! Yeah, I think that's what he meant. lol

Anyway, just b/c something is written somewhere in a book is not enough for me. Even though that book may be esteemed, I still like to filter long-time pedagogy through present-day success stories. There are a lot of "experts" on TTF. It's up to us as individuals to decide with whom we wish to hitch our wagon.

Good discussion, though - if we view it as such.

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« Reply #117 on: Mar 23, 2017, 09:00AM »

Well...while you were brainstorming over the pooing concept...maybe we should change the practice room to a more convenient room....nevertheless, a long handslide could be a problem.

Could be it was a bad joke :-0

I printed a copy of geezer's post.

I am sitting in the smallest room in my house.

His post is before me.

Shortly, it shall be behind me.

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« Reply #118 on: Mar 23, 2017, 09:01AM »

I am not opposed to breath support.

I am opposed to telling someone to "support."  never saw that end well. 
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« Reply #119 on: Mar 23, 2017, 08:33PM »

Do you see any narrowing of the width of those tiles (I like that) when ascending? Or does the aperture have one width through all ranges?

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The angle changes. The speed and air direction follows suit.

I can't tell if the space changes much. Just the angle of the "tiles" over one another.
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