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« on: Mar 20, 2017, 08:50AM »

I ended up in the local emergency room late Saturday night with a bad attack.

The last time I was in an emergency room for this was 2003; I may have passed a smaller stone or two in between.

This time they sent me home with the news it is small enough to pass (4mm) and a prescription for Oxywhatsit. 

That stuff does take the edge off.  It doesn't totally block the pain but makes it tolerable.  I know it's a drug commonly abused, but I can't see why.  I don't find anything at all pleasant about it. 

I'm hoping this doesn't take as long to pass as the last one.  Pain comes in waves, lasts a few hours then fades for a while.  No fun. 
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 20, 2017, 09:07AM »

Ouch!



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« Reply #2 on: Mar 20, 2017, 09:10AM »

I ended up in the local emergency room late Saturday night with a bad attack.

The last time I was in an emergency room for this was 2003; I may have passed a smaller stone or two in between.

This time they sent me home with the news it is small enough to pass (4mm) and a prescription for Oxywhatsit. 

That stuff does take the edge off.  It doesn't totally block the pain but makes it tolerable.  I know it's a drug commonly abused, but I can't see why.  I don't find anything at all pleasant about it. 

I'm hoping this doesn't take as long to pass as the last one.  Pain comes in waves, lasts a few hours then fades for a while.  No fun. 

I'm sorry to see this!

I had a mild addiction to whatty-what's-it. There isn't a "high" per se - although I could tell you how to get high from it but I won't. When used as directed, it can result in a physiological addiction. When I realized it, I threw the rest away and didn't look back. I won't take that or anything like that anymore. Period. BE CAREFUL!

It'll pass. I passed one at age forty - back when "blood letting" was still very much the rage.

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 20, 2017, 09:21AM »

Do they give you any advice on how to avoid more stones in the future?
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 20, 2017, 09:25AM »

My sympathies, Tim.  I've never been afflicted with them, but the people I know who get them say it's worse than being stabbed in the back.

Maybe part of the reason I don't get stones is because I drink a lot of water.  That's supposed to help keep the kidneys flushed.

When I was in the hospital for the broken ribs after my auto accident they offered me Oxycontin.  I used it for three days and told them to just give me Ibuprofen.  I'll use anything like aspirin, phenacetin, naproxin, or ibuprofen rather than an opioid.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 20, 2017, 09:46AM »

Tim, consult with your physician and/or your health-care insurance company for alternatives to that. It's my understanding there are commonly-taken over-the-counter meds which can be taken together for an effective but non-addictive pain-killer.

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« Reply #6 on: Mar 20, 2017, 11:47AM »

Thanks for the concern.  I'm on a low dose, and I'm stretching the intervals longer than the minimum.  I think I'll be okay with the meds.  It's the stone that's kicking my butt.  If I didn't have the Oxy I'd be back in the ER for morphine.  This thing hurts!

I have brief gaps in the pain.  The pain is caused by the stone moving, so when it takes a break I get one too.  It was long enough this morning to get my routine done, but right now no way. 
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 20, 2017, 12:09PM »

Thanks for the concern.  I'm on a low dose, and I'm stretching the intervals longer than the minimum.  I think I'll be okay with the meds.  It's the stone that's kicking my butt.  If I didn't have the Oxy I'd be back in the ER for morphine.  This thing hurts!

I have brief gaps in the pain.  The pain is caused by the stone moving, so when it takes a break I get one too.  It was long enough this morning to get my routine done, but right now no way. 
I used to get kidney stones all the time.  The painful uric acid kind.  Sometimes 3 or 4 times a year, along with just as painful bouts of gout.  Now I'm on allopurinol and no more stones or gout.

I tried a ludicrous diet and drinking 4+ liters of water a day, but they didn't really help.  Just had me gaining weight and pissing 24/7

I hate having to take it, but I hate the alternative even more.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 20, 2017, 07:53PM »

Had them many times, but not in at least five years.  One doc said have a beer before bedtime and I won't get woken up again in the middle of the night feeling like a knife was in my kidney.  I asked for a prescription for a 12 pack, but for some reason he just laughed and laughed and laughed and...
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 20, 2017, 08:14PM »

Had them many times, but not in at least five years.  One doc said have a beer before bedtime and I won't get woken up again in the middle of the night feeling like a knife was in my kidney.

You still have to get up in the middle of the night, though. Yeah, RIGHT.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 21, 2017, 02:19AM »

I seem to get an attack about every 10 years-first one was 1976 and had one just before Christmas.

I had a stone analysed one time and it turned out to be mostly calcium oxalate so I've cut out chalk and rhubarb leaves from my diet :D. Then found out that it could be caused by a couple of essentials, chocolate and nuts :(

Getting older is a bummer.

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 21, 2017, 05:10AM »

Do you guys drink soda at all?
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 21, 2017, 06:36AM »

Do you guys drink soda at all?
Not me, I have never liked it.  Why?
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 21, 2017, 06:47AM »

It's a😢known cause of stones. Kidney stones are a symptom of a bigger problem, sometimes it's hydration and sometimes its diet or any number of things. Everyone I know who suffers from this problem drinks diet soda like crazy.
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 21, 2017, 07:30AM »

Ahh, ok.  Yeah, calcium oxalate stones are caused by solubility issues with the urine.  Soda can adversely effect the ability of the urine to keep minerals dissolved.  The uric acid stones (my problem) can be caused by lack of fluids, just making the concentration of uric acid in the urine so high it crystallizes out.  Another issue (mine) is the body's s ability to process purines.

Purines are an essential building block of DNA and are found in the nucleolus of all living cells. About the same amount is found in any given cell, no matter what it's size.  So a diet high in organ meats, some fish, yeast, mushrooms and certain beans and vegetables (all with small compact cells) can exacerbate the problem.

Eggs are great.  They have only one cell nucleus and are very, very low in purines yet high in protein. Good!

Betcha that was more than you wanted to know?  When you've had the problems I've had (first stared having gout at the age of 12) and been to as many doctors to get the problem diagnosed and treated, you inadvertently learn some stuff.
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 21, 2017, 06:12PM »

I had one just about a year ago now.  Played a big band gig that Friday night and woke up at 2am Saturday in excruciating pain.  Drove myself to the ER and they put me on morphine.  DIDN'T TOUCH IT!  Then they hung a bag of todorol (?) which took the edge off.  I was prescribed percocet but after 2 days of that, I switched myself to ibuprofen because I was NOT enjoying the binding side effect of the percocet.  Mine was 1/4 the size of timothy42B's and after it passed, my body went into shock.  I can't imagine a 4mm stone!  Ouch!  I still have 2 kicking around in my kidney that could stay there forever or just decide to move when they feel like it.  I have a low citrate count so I'm on potassium citrate to help boost it.  Have to go back to the doc soon and see how it's doing.

Interesting that soda was brought up. I drink a lot.  However, I'm also not great about my sodium intake. 

I've had female friends who have given birth and had kidney stones and have said the kidney stone pain was worse than childbirth!

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 21, 2017, 06:31PM »

You still have to get up in the middle of the night, though. Yeah, RIGHT.

True dat!
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 21, 2017, 07:22PM »

I called my GP and told him the Oxy wasn't touching the pain; he prescribed Vicodin.  Turns out they're roughly the same strength.  Ah well.  I see him tomorrow and will try to get a plan.

This morning the pain was so extreme I went to the ER again, thinking I might get some pain meds.  Wrong!  I was so bad when I got there I was unable to sit in a chair, I just lay on the ER floor panting and throwing up.  A couple hours later they got me into an exam room, and by that time the pain was easing up.  Funny thing, Saturday night at an essentially inner city hospital ER I was seen right away, same place Tuesday morning they put us in the hallway to wait, no exam rooms available. 

The ER doc was pretty sharp, though, and I asked her if I could increase the dose of the pills since they weren't touching the pain.  No, the narcotic part won't hurt me, but they put enough tylenol in them to fry my liver. 

I drink soda but I'm not extreme, usually one can midmorning. 
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 21, 2017, 08:11PM »

Whatever happened to that ultrasonic hydro gizmo that they were zapping kidney stones with a few years ago?

Is that not a thing anymore?

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 21, 2017, 08:16PM »

I had one in August on the way to a gig!  They gave my prescriptions for Tylenol 800 and oxycodone and floquil, and my shrink (who has had several) told me to drink lots of lemon juice, as the acid in it cancels the alkaline that creates the stones.  It worked, and now I am MUCH more careful to stay hydrated.  Didn't take the Oxy, as I had a bad reaction to that in 2014, but the tylenol made it survivable. 
And I made it to the gig (zoned out on Dilaudid) and was able to play, but was glad I didn't have any solos or features.  :)
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