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« on: Apr 13, 2017, 03:02PM »

You have come into possession of H.G. Wells' legendary time-travel device, allowing you to go back in time to your favorite musical era.  Or perhaps you'd like to travel to the future to see how music will evolve (Or de-evolve).

One catch:  it's a one-way trip...no option to return to the present.

What era would you travel to, and why?
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 13, 2017, 06:48PM »

You have come into possession of H.G. Wells' legendary time-travel device, allowing you to go back in time to your favorite musical era.  Or perhaps you'd like to travel to the future to see how music will evolve (Or de-evolve).

One catch:  it's a one-way trip...no option to return to the present.

What era would you travel to, and why?

I wish that I could have heard Bird live.

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 13, 2017, 07:41PM »

One way trip and then you're stuck?

The problem is, the classics and legendary performers we love are pretty sparse in time.  There was a whole lot of lame filler in between the gems.

Perhaps latter 19th Century Vienna or Paris might be interesting destinations.

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 13, 2017, 07:47PM »

While I'd love to see some of the greats in person, I don't think I could live in the centuries they inhabited.  I don't like to ride horses, I like to be able to bathe daily, enjoy indoor plumbing, and like to change my clothes frequently.  So I think I'll remain where I am.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 13, 2017, 09:11PM »

Am I allowed to play the stock market in my new previous-time home?   Idea!
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 14, 2017, 02:54AM »

A chance to hear TD and the other great bands at Glen Island casino....

make money on the stock market and sporting events.....because you know the result!!

and then get to see Elvis in the early 70's!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 14, 2017, 11:14AM »

Late 16th and early 17th century Venice, and be able to meet the Dalla Casa brothers, Bassano, Gabrieli, etc. and hear them play in San Marco.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 14, 2017, 11:55AM »

I want to go back and hear the first trombonist to ever do a really loud 1st - 6th - 1st glissando.

That's foundation of Western civilization stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 14, 2017, 04:12PM »

Wait... wait... I've got it!  Idea!

Instead of going back to hear music, go back and make some!

Go back with a bag of gold to about 1730 and commission Bach, Vivaldi, Handel, Telemann (especially Telemann), Rameau, Tartini, Abinoni, Fasch...  to each compose a trombone concerto.

In case they are doubtful, bring your trombone to demonstrate what it can do.

And be sure to mention the gold.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 14, 2017, 09:18PM »

Late 16th and early 17th century Venice, and be able to meet the Dalla Casa brothers, Bassano, Gabrieli, etc. and hear them play in San Marco.

 Good!

Dario Castello, Giovanni Picchi, Biagio Marini, Heinrich Schütz, perhaps even Monteverdi...
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 14, 2017, 09:58PM »

Basie and the Rat Pack in Vegas   Eeek!
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 14, 2017, 10:28PM »

Circa pope Gregory
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 15, 2017, 01:04AM »

Wait... wait... I've got it!  Idea!

Instead of going back to hear music, go back and make some!

Go back with a bag of gold to about 1730 and commission Bach, Vivaldi, Handel, Telemann (especially Telemann), Rameau, Tartini, Abinoni, Fasch...  to each compose a trombone concerto.

In case they are doubtful, bring your trombone to demonstrate what it can do.

And be sure to mention the gold.

As one well known former orchestral 1st trombone used to say... only thing worse than a trombone concerto...is 2 trombone concerto's!  Evil
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 15, 2017, 01:27AM »

..... I like to be able to bathe daily, enjoy indoor plumbing, and like to change my clothes frequently.  So I think I'll remain where I am.

You get to do ALL of those things?  :)
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 15, 2017, 04:39AM »

I would go to the future- maybe 100 years from today. I'd like to see if/how the trombone evolves. Consider how much progress was made in the past 100 years, and imagine what could be developed in the coming years!
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 15, 2017, 06:11AM »

As one well known former orchestral 1st trombone used to say... only thing worse than a trombone concerto...is 2 trombone concerto's!  Evil

True... because we're stuck with concertos from C-list composers.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 15, 2017, 06:29AM »

1987-1993 was a pretty exciting time for the trombone. Plus I'd get to play Wolfenstein 3D with myself as a small child.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 16, 2017, 01:22AM »

1987-1993 was a pretty exciting time for the trombone. Plus I'd get to play Wolfenstein 3D with myself as a small child.

I was around then, in a full time job.... did I miss something ? Far more happening today... at an ever higher level...

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2017, 10:43AM »

It's a toss up, either early '50s and maybe practice enough to get on Kenton's band, or back to Gesualdo's era.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2017, 06:28AM »

I was around then, in a full time job.... did I miss something ? Far more happening today... at an ever higher level...

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Well, I do like the two Jan Sandstrom concertos, the Rouse, Xenakis' trombone concerto, etc. Those all premiered during that time at a pretty high level.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2017, 07:56AM »

Honestly... as much as I like trombone, I would love to hear Bach play live.  If he could only know how much hundreds of years after his death his influence is still so widely known.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2017, 09:19AM »

Honestly... as much as I like trombone, I would love to hear Bach play live.  If he could only know how much hundreds of years after his death his influence is still so widely known.

That would be interesting. There are a lot of "improvisors" in the old times that we only have a notion of what that was all about.

Beethoven could improvise a whole piano sonata.

Bruckner went to an examination to try to get into a school and by the time he was done demonstrating his organ improvising they wanted him to take the job teaching instead.  :D

They were doing a whole lot more than doodling over a repeating chord pattern, they were doing extended form.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2017, 09:22AM »

Another thing I'd be curious to hear first hand is ancient music of the Greeks and Romans.

Said to be enormously affecting and powerful on the audience but we have very few clues about it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2017, 09:46AM »

After some thought I have two choices for my top pick and a third but a week from now these could change mostly because of off the cuff thinking this morning.

1.  The early 1800's time period of Mendelssohn and David.  How could one compose one of the greatest pieces of music and leave earth so early in life?  And of course there's the David composed for trombone usage.  They grew up together.

2.  My other top pick would be the time period of the late 1500's when Maggini was under Da Salo's wing learning to make the violin as we know it today.  Reasons for not deciding on one top choice would be I wouldn't want to be in Hamburg as it was then and the other reason would be the unknown/untreatable diseases of the 1500-1600's.

3.  The time period of Vivaldi, Corelli and Bach.  Harpischord and piano were in their infancy then too, I think.   
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2017, 10:41AM »

Another thing I'd be curious to hear first hand is ancient music of the Greeks and Romans.

Said to be enormously affecting and powerful on the audience but we have very few clues about it.

It sounded like this:

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