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1  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Most nimble horn that you have ever played on: Apr 03, 2013, 09:58PM
I have to go with my King 2B. The horn is so easy to play in all registers. Anything I hear in my head easily comes out of the bell.
2  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Moving up From a Student T-Bone on: Mar 21, 2013, 04:44PM
Kings are great trombones! I prefer the 2B over the 3B though, I just could never get the 3B to work for me.
3  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Looking for my first trombone on: Mar 08, 2013, 06:15AM
Great Horn, I have been playing on one for about 1.5 months now and I absolutely love it. I had a minor issue with the slide but Getzen took care of it no questions asked and they were very quick about making it right. Also, if you are going to Dillon call ahead and make sure they have it in stock before you go.

Check out my post/review about it:
4  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Repairs, Modifications and Maintenance / Re: Weather-resistant slide oil on: Mar 01, 2013, 06:11PM
Another vote for Trombotine!I play gigs outside all summer and it never gives me any issues. I have one tube per case and it lasts forever. I have one tube that is close to 7 years old and it is still as good as new. If you apply it correctly it lasts for a long time.
5  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: Bill Watrous's mouthpiece? on: Feb 28, 2013, 05:03PM
Sometimes some players including myself "clock" the mouthpiece. Meaning it is in the same position every time the MP gets plugged into the leadpipe. For me, my mouthpieces have been mine since new and if I don't put them in the same position every time I play I do notice a difference in my playing and end up adjusting.

Last time I heard, he was playing on a Bach 11C that is opened up like full pedal mentioned.
6  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 4047DS on: Jan 29, 2013, 04:34AM
GBP: Doug Elliott LB115 Rim, LB L Cup and L8 shank. Doug and myself went through a bunch of different combinations before we came up on this set up for me. But I must also note that I play a majority my C's and F's in Second position on the Gb Valve.
7  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 4047DS on: Jan 28, 2013, 06:09PM
I played one briefly at the Illinois Music Educators Conference, this past Friday.

Nice horn. A good sound that is focused throughout the whole trombone range. Nice trigger notes.

Then I tried the new Schilke with the axial flow valve. The Getzen was easily the most efficient.

The only negative for the Getzen, was that I had to pull out the F slide about 3 inches, to tune the 2nd space C.

Yeah, the valve section is a little sharp, but I am used to it as my Getzen Bass is the sane way. It still isn't as bad as the Yamaha 822G Xeno Bass I tried for about a year.....the F tuning slide wasn't long enough, would have it pulled all the way out and C in the staff still wasn't in tune in 1st position and I play with my slide off the bumpers in first position. 
8  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 4047DS on: Jan 28, 2013, 05:16PM

How does the 4047 compare to your 42B in the valve register? I remember you saying that the one you had felt very open.  If it can out 42 a 42, that's definitely something I've got to check out sometime. Just need to find one locally, which isn't going to happen in this area unless it's special ordered.

Daveyboy......while my Bach is very open in the valve register it took a lot of work to get the sound concept I wanted and/or heard in my head. It was a little tough to control. The 4047 is very open but very centered. It is also very easy to color the sound. Their isn't much change from the open horn and it is very consistent. For me it is very easy to change the colors of the sound to what I want or to blend while playing with the valve. I actually did some recording with it on Friday and I really couldn't tell the difference between C with or without the valve, and the same goes for F below the staff. Also, the throw on the valve is much shorter then the Bach. But, the valve notes just feel comfy on it, very easy and very consistent like the horn in general. This instrument has a lot of personality and it is pretty easy to sound like you on it.
9  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Modern Sound concepts and moving away from cylindrical sound on: Jan 28, 2013, 05:04PM
Hello All, if you really want to read a great book regarding the level a professional player needed to be at back in the day check out and see if you can find "The Virtuosity of the Eighteenth-Century Trombonist in Vienna" by Dr. Clyde R. Wigness. Bob(Dr. Wigness) was one of my trombone professors in college, this book gives some great excerpts of the music that was played in this time period. There are great examples from composers such as Dario Castello, Antonio Bertali, J.J. Fux, Antonio Ziani, and Georg Ruetter. I don't think these composers would have written excerpts like they did unless players could play them and court appointed trombonists needed to be outstanding. Also, we have to remember that moutpieces of the time were more funnel shaped compared to many of the bowl shaped mouthpieces of today.
10  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Getzen 4047DS on: Jan 24, 2013, 08:21PM
Hi Folks, I had the pleasure of putting the horn through its paces last night during a 3 hour rehearsal. Everything and anything positive that I have read about this horn holds true. I have been playing trombone and bass trombone for over 20 years now and have tried a lot of large bore tenors but this horn is absolutely amazing. My director always compliments me on my sound and my playing along with many others in the group I was playing in last night, but last night they all said I was sounding awesome. It also blends very well in the section and when I played the first notes of rehearsal my section mates were astonished. They are playing an Edwards on second and a Getzen 3062 on bass, both yellow bells.

The horn is incredibly even and consistent through all of the registers in my normal range all the way from pedal F to the F on the top of the treble clef staff. The horn is so easy to play it is almost like it is playing all by its self and I am along for the ride. It is very easy to color the sound the way I want, I think of a sound in my head and it is coming out of my bell. Articulations are very easy on the instrument. I must also mention this horn can take everything you can throw at it and the sound wont break up. I found the most important thing is that this trombone is incredibly effficent. The valve is a joy to play on and the edge bracing along with the reversed tuning slide for the valve section makes a huge difference. It is very open, not too much resistance but just enough to make it easy to make the valve notes sound the way you want them to sound. The horn is also easy to play at all dynamic levels from ppp all the way to fff.

I could not be happier with this horn, I have never really liked playing .547 bore horns and I thought my 42B was great but I feel right at home and already feel really comfy with this instrument. I did a side by side with the 4047 and the 42 and I am retiring my 42. I have been through a couple different .547 horns over the years and none of them compare or even touch this horn. Someone said it is the best Bach 42 you will ever play and they are right. There is so much more I can say about this instrument but I don't want the post to get too long.

Daveyboy: I had a Kanstul 1570 for a few years and it doesn't compare. This instrument plays totally different. BTW, I am pretty sure I played bass trombone next to you a few years ago with the Livingston Symphony. Also, the first place I tried was Dillon and they didn't have it and said they wouldn't be getting them in anytime soon, something along the lines of a couple of months and I wasn't going to wait. Horn Guys were awesome to deal with. 

In closing, if you get a chance to try the 4047 out go for it. It is everything anyone who has played one says it is. I am playing the instrument with a Dennis Wick 4AL, it seems like a really nice combination. Any questions feel free to ask.
11  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Getzen 4047DS on: Jan 22, 2013, 10:05PM
Hello all, I do not get to post on the site very often as my careers as a high school band director and fishing boat captain take up a lot of my time. So, I am primarily a bass trombonist and I am occasionally asked to play tenor trombone. So I had a very nice Bach 42B from the early 70's that I would play from time to time. Well, a situation came up in one of the wind ensembles I play in and I found myself subbing on the 1st part and now I am the full time 1st chair. So my Bach has been acting up time after time again and recently the new problem is going to be a huge fix which I don't want to pay for. So after doing much research and my happiness with my 3062 Bass I ordered the 4047DS. When I got home from a school concert tonight there the box was waiting for me. All I can say is my first impression is awesome, simply awesome. The couple of notes I have played on it were outstanding. The horn has great response and is extremely open through the valve. The craftsmenship is really nice and very neat. I will check back in once I get some more face time on the instrument.

I have to give huge compliments to The Horn Guys and the Getzen Company. Robert at Horn Guys was an absolute pleasure to deal with and was very honest and on top of everything with the sale. He made it as smooth as can be even when a little issue came up with the horn he had in stock. He called me immediately and explained the situation in a very honest way. He told me he would call with an update the next day and sure enough he did. He called and said I would be getting a horn directly from the factory after speaking to the Getzen rep. Sure enough I arrived home today and there was the Getzen Box that had come directly from the factory. The horn came a couple of days early and was a great surprise to come home to after a very long day. I worked in retail for 10 years before I became a teacher and this experience was simply awesome. So needless to say I have a huge smile on my face and I am very excited. 
12  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: What mouthpiece do you use on large bore tenor trombone? on: Dec 17, 2012, 05:38PM
Wick 4AL
13  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Closed wrap Bad? on: Dec 17, 2012, 05:01PM
I have a 42B from the early 70's that blows super open through the valve section and in the lower registers. It plays much better than many of the open wrap rotary valve horns I have played and better than any 42BO I have ever tried. I mean there have been some mods done to it but it plays like a dream. It usually gets looks or stupid comments because there isn't any finish on the bell, but then people hear me play it and their opinion changes pretty quick. Then when they get a chance to play it the look on their faces is priceless. I mean it isn't quite as open as a axial flow valve, but it is pretty darn close.

I fell in love with it when I play tested it off the wall at Dillon Music a couple of years ago. I traded my like new condition Kanstul 1570CR for it. I had to have a bunch of work done to it(new braces on the bell section and slide work) but it is well worth it.

Mind you, I am primarily a Bass Trombonist that plays independent axials and a dual bore slide so I feel like I kind of know what open feeling is. I feel very comfortable on my 42B and I really have a lot of fun and really love playing the horn. Now that I am playing the lead trombone part in the semi-pro wind ensemble I play in I am really getting to love this 42B.   

So, no I don't think closed wrap is bad.
14  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: How do people choose the horn they play on: Oct 19, 2012, 06:06PM
I actually started out on Trumpet in the 4th grade and found it to be very boring. I can remember that for years before that all I wanted to play was the trumpet. Well needless to say, I saw one of the 6th graders playing trombone and I got very curious. I brought it up to my music teacher who was a trumpet player that I wanted to switch to trombone and he said, "no, absolutely not, you have natural talent on the trumpet and to stick with it." Well, I bugged the heck out of him and in 5th grade I was playing trombone, and it turns out I was a lot better on trombone. I enjoyed it a lot more and 20 years later I still get excited anytime I get to play! I make some money with it and it has gotten me my career as a music educator.
15  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: Your favorite horn on: May 16, 2012, 04:24AM
Even though I am primarily a Bass Trombonist and love my Getzen Custom, my favorite horn to play is my King 2B Liberty or my newer 2B Bell with older slide that has a custom leadpipe. Both horns play themselves and are a joy/blast to blow on. I have been playing a 2B since 7th grade(19 years now; wow) and it is still fun to pick that horn up. They just sing and I can do anything I want on them.
16  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: I got a new toy! on: Jan 18, 2012, 06:23AM

I miss my Mt. Vernon 50B that I played in high school(yes, my school owned this instrument) I love the way older Bach trombones play. I picked up an early 70's 42B for my tenor playing and the first time I played it I had your reaction and thought, "here's the sound I have been looking and waiting for"

Once again Congrats and enjoy!
17  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces / Re: I am looking for a new small shank jazz mouthpiece for my King 2B on: Jan 16, 2012, 07:12PM
I played a Bach 11C with my 2B for years. Then I switched to a Doug Elliott mouthpiece about 10 years ago and have been happy since. It is set up like a 6 3/4C (LT99 rim/C cup/C2 shank), I liked the 11C but I love they way the Doug Elliott piece matches up with the horn. 
18  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: What type of trombone do YOU have? (just wondering) on: Jan 08, 2012, 05:43PM
Yamaha Xeno YBL-822
Getzen 3062 AF
1970's Bach 42B
1960's King 2B Liberty
19  Teaching & Learning / Schools, Colleges and Conservatories / Re: Questions about Juilliard & DePaul. on: Apr 08, 2010, 06:47PM
I studied with Jim Markey when he was the trombone professor at Montclair State and it was probably the most important year I had as a developing bass trombonist. The man transformed me and opened up a whole new world for me. He is very demanding and he a fantastic person. I feel very lucky to have had the opportunity to study with him.
20  Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments / Re: King 2B - Good, Bad, Ugly? on: Mar 26, 2010, 07:47PM
I have one from the early 1960's and love it! The horn looks like it has been in a dumpster but it plays wonderful. I have had players offer me nice cash amounts for it on the spot, but I never run across another 2B that plays as open or as big as this one. I have no problem going from Bass to the 2B. I really didn't care for the new ones though when I try them out.
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