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« on: Yesterday at 06:30 PM »

This is a huge longshot but...

I'm looking to buy Olds Opera 023 slide parts or the slide itself. My slide has been damaged and it will not last forever. Just putting this out there to see if anyone has any access to parts.

I'm not sure if the Opera O15 or O25 slide parts are the same, but if they are I would be interested in the slide as well.

Please contact if you have any slide or parts, or if you know of someone that does.
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« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 07:04 PM »

Hi. Your query reminds me of a conversation I recently had with the Slide Doctor, Ray Splawn. I've held off on buying an Opera due to the replacement parts dilemma. I've been researching this quandary myself. I will share information and links when I get home and have access to my computer. I'll PM you soon. Or alternatively, send me an email via the address in my profile and I'll reply.

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« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:05 PM »

What all parts do you need? Inners? Outers? End crook?
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« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:08 PM »

From the table below (taken from a previous Trombone Forum posting):

Opera series  (Professional instruments)
                               Bore I.D.   Bell Diam      Description
Opera O15                 0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore; Nickel-silver thin-gauge bell.
Opera Fanfare O115   0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore; Yellow brass bell.
Opera O23                 0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore w F attach; Nickel-silver thin-gauge bell.
Symphony O25           0.554"        8.5"            Large bore w F attach; Red brass bell.

I would guess that an O-15 slide would be a replacement for the O-23 slide.  The O-25 is quite different, not to mention a larger bore! 

JohnL or John Noxon would probably have more information. 
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« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:31 AM »

What all parts do you need? Inners? Outers? End crook?

Inner and outer slides. But inner is much more important. Ray miraculously fixed my slide (I don't know how it's done!) but it's very delicate now. Inners were pretty much glued together. Here's some pics from it before:


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From the table below (taken from a previous Trombone Forum posting):

Opera series  (Professional instruments)
                               Bore I.D.   Bell Diam      Description
Opera O15                 0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore; Nickel-silver thin-gauge bell.
Opera Fanfare O115   0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore; Yellow brass bell.
Opera O23                 0.547"        8.5"            Symphonic bore w F attach; Nickel-silver thin-gauge bell.
Symphony O25           0.554"        8.5"            Large bore w F attach; Red brass bell.

I would guess that an O-15 slide would be a replacement for the O-23 slide.  The O-25 is quite different, not to mention a larger bore!
That information is not correct, or is at least incomplete.

I'll quote myself from an earlier thread, if no one minds.
A couple years back, I came into possession of a batch of Olds catalogs from the 1960's and 1970's that shed some light on the whole question of the bore on the Opera series.

Catalogs from the early 1960's (circa 1961-1962) give the bore as .547". The 1966 and later catalogs give the bore as .554". Coincidentally, the Opera Fanfare Model (O-115) seems to have been dropped from the lineup sometime between the c.1962 catalogs and the 1966 catalog.

These catalogs are all on my site, if anyone wishes to verify...

But the bore of the inner slide being .554" or .547" isn't what Farore needs to be concerned with. If she wants to replace the inners and keep the original outers, the important dimension is the OD of the stockings. This is where it gets messy. John Sandhagen just put a new set of inners on my O-25; they're Bach 50 tubes (.562" bore). Apparently, there are no readily-available .547" tubes that fit. Of course, if you want that bass slide/tenor bell sort of thing, it's not a problem.

Of course, a full inner/outer retube is an option, but that runs into money - and the tech still has to fit the outers to the end crook and the inners to the cork barrels.

Farore, if there is one tube that is in considerably worse shape than the other, John Sandhagen might be able to help you. When he retubed my O-25, one of the tubes actually wasn't too bad; afaik, it's still in his parts collection.
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« Reply #6 on: Today at 08:49 AM »

It's definitely the upper inner tube (the lead pipe section). The outer tube is indeed very weak, but the inner was to the point of possibly unrepairable. SlideDr ran into the same problem trying to find a part that fit. The slide could be rebuilt, but the issue is that I really want a slide that matches the same tone and being lightweight, and few slides are made of all nickel silver. The closest I found to that criteria would be a yamaha slide, but I don't think that slide would fit.

It was mentioned that if the leadpipe breaks in removing it, I could go for removable leadpipe, though I'd rather not.
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« Reply #7 on: Today at 10:08 AM »

Just an observationů My Opera slide receiver matches up to a Bach 42B slide.
If you have a friend that has a Bach 42B, try it on your Opera.
You could find a used 42B nickel slide, and probably be just fine.
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« Reply #8 on: Today at 10:09 AM »

If I remember right, Leo (or someone) had a parts Opera for sale once.
Might be a long shot.... but remember someone having a parts Opera for sale. (I think).

BTW - how the heck did that happen??!!??  :-0
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If I remember right, Leo (or someone) had a parts Opera for sale once.
Might be a long shot.... but remember someone having a parts Opera for sale. (I think).

BTW - how the heck did that happen??!!??  :-0

I took my trombone (in the case) out of my car (a tall SUV) to practice but completely forgot to bring it in the house. (it was in the trunk and I was taking in groceries too). Next day in the early morning I start to back out and CRUNCH. I moved forward and the case protected every part of the horn except that portion of the slide. I think it's because I kept a bottle of slide-o-mix in the outside compartment.

So if you're thinking of a case, get a Pro Pac contoured trombone case. Protected my entire horn from the crush (minus my fault for the bottle). The case is still fine too, except for the tire marks.
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« Reply #10 on: Today at 10:55 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: Today at 10:58 AM »

It's definitely the upper inner tube (the lead pipe section). The outer tube is indeed very weak, but the inner was to the point of possibly unrepairable. SlideDr ran into the same problem trying to find a part that fit. The slide could be rebuilt, but the issue is that I really want a slide that matches the same tone and being lightweight, and few slides are made of all nickel silver. The closest I found to that criteria would be a yamaha slide, but I don't think that slide would fit.
Tenons can be changed...
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:03 PM »

ouch

I went through the 7 stages of grief when it happened.

If anyone has the parts or means to replace them I'm still interested
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« Reply #13 on: Today at 01:10 PM »

If I remember right, Leo (or someone) had a parts Opera for sale once.
Might be a long shot.... but remember someone having a parts Opera for sale. (I think).

BTW - how the heck did that happen??!!??  :-0
Yes, I still have the '59 O-15 Opera parts slide. The slide is complete minus one inner slide tube and the bore is 0.554". From JohnL's info it should be a 0.547 but I've measured it several times and even tried my Getzen 0.547 outer slide on it with no avail because the Olds inner was just too big.

It's available if you want to make an offer.

Thanks,
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« Reply #14 on: Today at 01:22 PM »

I should mention that the slide I have is the .547 not the .553 or .554, so I could use a different slide, but I'd rather not.
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« Reply #15 on: Today at 01:52 PM »

The slide is complete minus one inner slide tube and the bore is 0.554".
Leo, do you have the leadpipe? If so, your parts plus the one inner that John Sandhagen has would make a complete slide.
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« Reply #16 on: Today at 04:03 PM »

Leo, do you have the leadpipe? If so, your parts plus the one inner that John Sandhagen has would make a complete slide.
Yes, it's the lower inner slide tube that broke off. Looking down the upper inner tube I can see the edge of the leadpipe (it's fixed, not removable).

I don't know if it helps any, but I still have what remains of the lower inner slide tube.
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« Reply #17 on: Today at 04:06 PM »

Yes, it's the lower inner slide tube that broke off. Looking down the upper inner tube I can see the edge of the leadpipe (it's fixed, not removable).

I don't know if it helps any, but I still have what remains of the lower inner slide tube.
I'm pretty sure the tube John Sandhagen has is the lower, so that would make a complete slide if Farore wished to go that direction.
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« Reply #18 on: Today at 05:38 PM »

I'm pretty sure the tube John Sandhagen has is the lower, so that would make a complete slide if Farore wished to go that direction.
But isn't yours from an 0-25? Farore's is a .547, and I thought the 0-25 was a larger bore than that.
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« Reply #19 on: Today at 06:44 PM »

But isn't yours from an 0-25? Farore's is a .547, and I thought the 0-25 was a larger bore than that.
Would the connector fit if it's a full slide?
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