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« Reply #1620 on: Yesterday at 01:23 PM »

Ok, we've gone from:
1 - Russian hacked the election to
2 - Russian collusion to
3 - obstruction of justice to
4 - money laundering?

Trump keeps getting proven to be right while the liberals are a circle jerk.


I'm trying to understand how going from 1 to 4 represents some kind of improvement. On the face of it, things seem to be getting worse for your hero.
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« Reply #1621 on: Yesterday at 01:24 PM »

Lets cut to the shank here. Let me ask you guys a question:

If the Mueller investigation concludes that Trump did nothing wrong and is completely exonerated, will you guys accept his findings and move on, or, will the leftists Marxists become even more hateful? Will they resort to even more extreme violence?

"You guys" is a figment of your imagination. People don't disagree with you because they all think alike. People disagree with you because they're intelligent and well-read. Classifying people who disapprove of the president--which is most Americans, not just a few--as 'hateful Marxists' is both foolish and hateful.'

But I'll answer for myself--I would absolutely accept the outcome of a fair, unimpeded investigation. I think it's entirely possible that the outcome will be to secure our elections against Russian interference, but that the various undisclosed contacts between Trump's circle and the Russians will be found to be innocent, or at least not prosecutable. If Trump just shut up about it, quit tweeting about it, and quit interfering with it, it would move to the back burner and he could go about his agenda, such as it is.

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« Reply #1622 on: Yesterday at 01:34 PM »

Ok, we've gone from:
1 - Russian hacked the election to
2 - Russian collusion to
3 - obstruction of justice to
4 - money laundering?

Trump keeps getting proven to be right while the liberals are a circle jerk.

It's not 'liberals', DD. it's the GOP-dominated Senate and House, and a majority of the American people. Most people of both parties trust Comey over Trump. Remember when Trump was "one-hundred percent" willing to testify on his own behalf? How's that worked for you so far? Maybe he's like you and doesn't know how to do percentages.

What was Trump proved right about, exactly? His big talking point was that he wasn't yet under criminal investigation when Comey was FBI director, but that's not even a main focus of the Russia probe. And now he himself says he's under investigation, so he's lost even that point.

Here's the thing, DD: Everyone here knows that the investigation is ongoing and is largely being conducted in secret. They also know that you have no personal knowledge of the evidence from that investigation, except the public testimony, so you have no basis for forming your opinions except your own wishful thinking. Why don't we all let the investigation take its course, as you have said, and accept the outcome.

Why are additional charges investigated as the investigation continues? Nothing novel there--it's what always happens in complex investigations involving multiple people. The Russians certainly tried to interfere with our presidential campaign. The other possibility, which arose from the original investigation, is that they did this with some cooperation from a person or persons in the Trump circle. If Trump actively tried to impede the investigation, that could bring allegations of obstruction. If anyone in Trump's circle accepted money illegitimately, that money would be laundered to avoid detection which is how the payment would be discovered. Unlike you, I won't claim to know how much of this is true because I'm an honest person.

You follow a very predictable, spoon-fed narrative. Each person who criticizes the president, or whose honest testimony could imperil him, is immediately slimed, without respect to his character or honesty. Trump treated Rosenstein as a respected public servant when he provided him an opinion on firing Comey. Now that he hired a special counsel, Trump doesn't like him anymore, and by a wild coincidence you don't either. Mueller was widely praised by nearly everyone in both parties as an impeccable choice for special counsel--now he's being smeared by the right-wing hate machine for hiring attorneys and doing the exact thing he was hired for. Of course, you immediately piled on, because your opinions are provided for you. There isn't a single issue related to this stuff upon which I could not reliably know your opinion in advance.

I want to remind you that if Trump were innocent, and if you believed him to be innocent, neither of you would be so desperate to discredit the investigation. Imagine if Trump had just ignored it and gone about his business without comment and without trying to impact it. Your aggressive stance defending his innocence strikes me as whistling through the graveyard, with more desperation by the day.
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« Reply #1623 on: Yesterday at 06:14 PM »

Should note... the senate overwhelmingly pass a bill to impose new sanctions on russia per meddling in the election. It is now in the house, where the white house is lobby hard to water it down, asking that the president should have the authority to remove new and old sanctions alike "in order to forge new diplomatic channels".

We know they hacked our last election and are likely primed to do the same for the next one.

We know that a solid number of trump surrogates had inappropriate meetings with russians during the campaign and transition.

Don't know how inappropriate, that is still being investigated.

And then a president who may be under investigation for trying to obstruct said investigations into his own people working with the russians...

This man wants the sole power to lift sanctions on russia.


The fact that his party doesn't hear this and immediately shut it down...

I am really starting to believe trump's statement that he could shoot a man on the street in broad daylight and still have the support of his base. They are THAT tribal, blind, and stupid.
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« Reply #1624 on: Yesterday at 09:11 PM »

It's not 'liberals', DD. it's the GOP-dominated Senate and House, and a majority of the American people. Most people of both parties trust Comey over Trump.

That's too funny. The democrats and establishment repubs are liberal. Let's just put them into one category: establishment.

The establishment doesn't want trump. Never did. He wasn't one of them. This is easy.

Comey and Mueller are rogue.

The American people voted for Trump and are too smart to fall for the establishment folderol.

The establishment are on a hunt. They don't know what they're hunting for, so they're hunting to find out what they can hunt for. They're on a hunt because Hillary lost the election. LOL!

The deceived, (members of the 75%,) don't know any better.

Trump has been proven right again. There were millions of fraudulent votes cast in the election like he said. As long as you guys keep reading CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, WAPO and NYT, you will never know the truth.

 
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« Reply #1625 on: Yesterday at 09:57 PM »

Woah!!!  DD, you're calling the liberal left Guys the establishment?

That is sooooo.. revealing.  You have no idea.

Do you really see your self, your compatriots, and your buddy Trump, as underdogs?!!


Like a breath of fresh air...
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« Reply #1626 on: Yesterday at 10:05 PM »

Ok, we've gone from:
1 - Russian hacked the election to
2 - Russian collusion to
3 - obstruction of justice to
4 - money laundering?

Trump keeps getting proven to be right while the liberals are a circle jerk.


No.  In My opinion.  The truth is that Trump is guilty on so many fronts that playing a shell games is open season.  We are living in a deluge of evidence.

Uhhgg .. that 'thing' gives me the creeps!
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« Reply #1627 on: Yesterday at 10:13 PM »

That's too funny. The democrats and establishment repubs are liberal. Let's just put them into one category: establishment.

The establishment doesn't want trump. Never did. He wasn't one of them. This is easy.

Comey and Mueller are rogue.

The American people voted for Trump and are too smart to fall for the establishment folderol.

The establishment are on a hunt. They don't know what they're hunting for, so they're hunting to find out what they can hunt for. They're on a hunt because Hillary lost the election. LOL!

The deceived, (members of the 75%,) don't know any better.

Trump has been proven right again. There were millions of fraudulent votes cast in the election like he said. As long as you guys keep reading CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, WAPO and NYT, you will never know the truth.

 

Whoo!  You sure your name is not Dustey Dusteyevich Dickerovich? Evil Evil
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« Reply #1628 on: Today at 03:21 AM »

That's too funny. The democrats and establishment repubs are liberal. Let's just put them into one category: establishment.
From one category to another. Way to think outside the box!

The American people voted for Trump and are too smart to fall for the establishment folderol.
Actually no, the american people voted for hillary. The electoral college voted for trump.

Trump has been proven right again. There were millions of fraudulent votes cast in the election like he said.
Oh, yeah! Based on that investigation committee he was going to form to investigate, but then never did! Because they really had no case other than trump's wounded pride of losing the popular vote in the election. Damn media reporting the facts. He DID have the largest inauguration crowd in history too! I mean, he could see it! Way back there! Screw what the different perspective pictures said. THEY WERE THERE!!!
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« Reply #1629 on: Today at 04:59 AM »

Woah!!!  DD, you're calling the liberal left Guys the establishment?

That is sooooo.. revealing.  You have no idea.

Do you really see your self, your compatriots, and your buddy Trump, as underdogs?!!


Like a breath of fresh air...

You really haven't been keeping up, have you?
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« Reply #1630 on: Today at 05:01 AM »

Whoo!  You sure your name is not Dustey Dusteyevich Dickerovich? Evil Evil

That's funny. I often thought my name might have been Dickersonovich. LOL!
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« Reply #1631 on: Today at 05:05 AM »


Actually no, the american people voted for hillary. The electoral college voted for trump.


You need to go back and do some studying. The electoral college follows the people's vote per state. IOW, it is the people voting. Now, it is coming out the millions of fraudulent voters that voted for Hillary, now brings her numbers below Trump's.

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« Reply #1632 on: Today at 05:40 AM »

Explanation for the hunt:

"The special counsel will not attempt to track down the details of a crime known to have been committed and determine "who dunnit," but will scour the personal and business affairs of a select group of people the President of the United States, members of his family, his business associates, and members of his presidential campaign and transition teams to see if any crime can be found (or worse, manufactured by luring someone into making a conflicting statement at some point). This is not a proper use of prosecutorial power, but a "witch hunt," as President Trump himself correctly observed. Or, to put it more in terms of legalese, this special prosecutor has effectively been given a "writ of assistance" and the power to exercise a "general warrant" against this select group of people, including the President of the United States, recently elected by a fairly wide margin of the electoral vote.

That is the very kind of thing our Fourth Amendment was adopted to prevent. Indeed, the issuance of general warrants and writs of assistance is quite arguably the spark that ignited America's war for independence."


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/on_mueller_investigation_trump_should_fight_fire_with_fire.html#ixzz4kjZhGAUH

This is the same strategy that the left did back during the Valerie Plame investigation by Patrick Fitzgerald, supervised by comey, the rogue comey. They knew before the investigation who outed Valerie Plame, but that didn't stop the thugs from indicting Scooter Libby.

Same Modus operandi. Thugs that I'm being generous when I call comey a rogue.
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« Reply #1633 on: Today at 05:45 AM »

That's funny. I often thought my name might have been Dickersonovich. LOL!

Bearing in mind that the '-vich' suffix means '-son', we can probably truncate that a bit...

I read that Dickerson simply means (as we'd probably all guessed already) "Dick's son". So, I'll hazard that a Russified version could be "Dickovich"...
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« Reply #1634 on: Today at 06:06 AM »

You need to go back and do some studying. The electoral college follows the people's vote per state. IOW, it is the people voting. Now, it is coming out the millions of fraudulent voters that voted for Hillary, now brings her numbers below Trump's.


STOP LYING.

There were not millions of fraudulent votes for Hillary.  You think they would fake millions of votes and miss by <70K winning the election?

Stop being dumb.
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« Reply #1635 on: Today at 06:22 AM »

You need to go back and do some studying. The electoral college follows the people's vote per state. IOW, it is the people voting.
Well no, if it was the people voting, we would use the people's vote. Instead we use the electoral college. No so, it is not the people's vote. Trump lost that. Hence his butthurt rantings. He was only elected narrowly by an antiquated system he himself called illegitimate prior to his election.

Now, it is coming out the millions of fraudulent voters that voted for Hillary, now brings her numbers below Trump's.
So trump's "special" committee on vote rigging came to a result before it was ever formed? That sounds credible.

Nah, Trump came out barely ahead by a system even he doesn't think should be in place anymore, and lost the popular vote, in an election that was tampered with by a foreign government in his favor. It's that lovely point when he ran against a poor candidate, cheated as much as possible, and STILL barely squeaked through. His legitimacy as president is questionable at best, and it makes him act like a toddler who finally got his toy, but none of the other kids want to play with anymore, and it irks him terribly. In addition, he has consistently the lowest poles of any modern president, has no real agenda of his own, and has no clue how to actually follow through on his biggest promises. And thanks to an overblown ego and pride, he refuses to ask others or try to follow people's advice who DO know how to do things.

In addition, he is now under considerable attack from congress, the states, and private groups... basically every claimant level possible... because his sketchy business practices are coming to light as he demands to keep everything going in his new position. As well, his ethics are non-existent, and legal strategy only stands currently because his own party feels they could lose more to challenge one of their own. If Trump loses even a single chamber of congress.... he's forked.

Shoot, he may be forked anyhow due to cheating his way to barely winning an election.

Basically, trump is already an illegitimate failure, and he only just begun. The best thing he could do for himself and his part would be to step aside and give it to pence.
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« Reply #1636 on: Today at 06:37 AM »

How about we just make an Alternative Facts Zone and any/all discussion that lingers for a while and doesn't do so well in terms of any demonstrated attachment to actual facts can be moved there as the mods see fit ... eh?
 
Because the way the human brain works, Alt-Right types have only to present an Alternative Fact here and there in order to be lavished with attention to the extent that their proud rejection of actually learning anything and of understanding and reason and reality can become The Topic of just about any thread, and then of course that establishes the social climate ... just as we've seen happen in Real Life in the decades since Faux Nuze and the Interweb have given all that a big stage that the Alt-Right/Alt-Facts types can draw encouragement from for that kind of thinking.
 
It's kind of a problem. Let's actually maybe pause for a moment and give it some consideration, eh?
 
Just throwing ideas around here.
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« Reply #1637 on: Today at 06:37 AM »

STOP LYING.

There were not millions of fraudulent votes for Hillary.  You think they would fake millions of votes and miss by <70K winning the election?

Stop being dumb.
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Yes... they faked MILLIONS of votes, across MULTIPLE states, in an election they thought they would win regardless. And they did so, not in the swing states which were close... but in the states trump had zero chance of winning such as CA and thus have no impact on the election.

It all makes sense!
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« Reply #1638 on: Today at 06:44 AM »

You really haven't been keeping up, have you?
Yeah MR. Dickerson, I can be slow on the up-take.  However not so slow that I can't get my head around the investigative process thingy.
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« Reply #1639 on: Today at 07:06 AM »

Explanation for the hunt:

"The special counsel will not attempt to track down the details of a crime known to have been committed and determine "who dunnit," but will scour the personal and business affairs of a select group of people the President of the United States, members of his family, his business associates, and members of his presidential campaign and transition teams to see if any crime can be found (or worse, manufactured by luring someone into making a conflicting statement at some point).  is not a proper use of prosecutorial power, but a "witch hunt,"


What an absolutely perfect description of both Ken Starr and the whole Whitewater waste of 5 years and over $50 million, and the penchent those on the right have for psychological projection. Maybe in five years we'll be able to get Drumpf to lie under oath about golden showers in a Moscow hotel room.
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