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« Reply #40 on: Apr 23, 2017, 09:07PM »

We all cringed more than the kid as he accidentally whacked the slide a few times into a music stand.

My advice is to buy wisely and thriftily until motor control catches up to his ability. Teenagers, even conscientious ones, are not strong or coordinated enough to warrant an expensive instrument. It's you money. Good luck.



They're going to have to learn sometime. Spending on a trombone is chump change compared to some string instruments. Dan Oberloh could send you some pictures of what an adult child could do to an instrument. Nothing like a MS choir concert. 2 glasses of wine before leaving (spouse driving), earplugs.......... He's going to be old enough to drive in 4 yrs. I was running a 16 hp Bolens tractor with a 3 blade deck at his age.
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 23, 2017, 09:50PM »

Right now the kid has tried a couple of large bore pro horns and some rather small bore less than pro horns.  He might like a Bach 36 or Conn 79H (or not).  But he has tried the 88H and likes it.

I like the idea of a $500 Blessing B88 to use at school.  Something that will see the bad side and take the knocks for the good horn.  The good horn can be used for practicing, lessons, and concerts.  If he's careful with it, the Conn could see him through college.  Even if he majors in music.
This is sage advice.  Buy him the lovely 88H for practice at home and his future needs, also buy him an B88 to take to school. As I read through the tread this exact formula was manifesting itself in my mind, but Bruce put it in words before I had a chance.

The B88 is a great and tough copy of the Conn 88H, and until very recently was also made in Elkhart.  It is 100% fine for use in high school let alone grade school.  The Conn  he could use through university and into this professional career if that is what he eventually chooses.
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 23, 2017, 10:00PM »

They're going to have to learn sometime. Spending on a trombone is chump change compared to some string instruments. Dan Oberloh could send you some pictures of what an adult child could do to an instrument. Nothing like a MS choir concert. 2 glasses of wine before leaving (spouse driving), earplugs.......... He's going to be old enough to drive in 4 yrs. I was running a 16 hp Bolens tractor with a 3 blade deck at his age.
Yeah, but that's no reasoning to justify the demise of a spectacular instrument that is no longer made.  Also, it's not necessarily him that is the concern, but rather some of the other 12 YOs in the band that have no respect for ... well ... anything.
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« Reply #43 on: Apr 24, 2017, 12:11AM »

Yeah, but that's no reasoning to justify the demise of a spectacular instrument that is no longer made.  Also, it's not necessarily him that is the concern, but rather some of the other 12 YOs in the band that have no respect for ... well ... anything.

Lots of things are destroyed by people everyday, of all ages. I also stated I had a school horn and a home horn. WHERE did I say he should have it around other 12 yr olds?  What's the cost of a decent string instrument , bow, case, and accessories for a MS strings student? He's playing at HS level now on a euphonium, according to his teacher. Do we start kids on tuba mouthpieces? I like what Bruce has said on the Blessing. Each kid is going to develop at a different pace.
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« Reply #44 on: Apr 24, 2017, 12:16AM »

You guys are great, but you have to understand that my son's preference is not to have a shiny instrument.  He'd actually want to get the lacquer removed.  He has it in his head that a lacquer free horn has a more mellow sound - which is true, isn't it.   Have a Brass Band in our home town, and they are pretty good.  When Wycliffe Gordon is soloing, my kid goes nuts.  Even listens to Gordon on Apple Radio. 

No need for any additional comments on mouthpieces.....he's gonna get a new one.  When we decide on the horn, we can continue the mouthpiece conversation.

You don't strip the lacquer on vintage Conns... that is part of how they play. You can strip a Bach if you want. Lacquer saves a lot of cleaning.

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« Reply #45 on: Apr 24, 2017, 04:41AM »

1)  I'm no expert in stripping lacquer.  My point being that my son has not had a strong affinity for shiny new.  He wants something that has great sound.

2)  No need to worry about whether we are going to spend $3,000 on a new horn.  That isn't in the budget.  We can get a new Yamaha 446G for just under $2,000.....so that is the upper limit on the budget.   Will likely spend significantly less than that.

3)  Bill You are right.  Strings are more expensive.  Even Euphoniums are nearly twice the price as trombones.  Dad counts himself lucky for being in the trombone forum rather than the Euphonium or Tuba forum.

 
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« Reply #46 on: Apr 24, 2017, 08:48AM »

well  i think   i have THE  ANSWER  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 responsive  older looking  --conn
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  RED  BELL   NICKLE  SLIDE BOW   model  75h   maybe 
  got one  here  and  its   FUNKY     ---only  napping  dream states  can  come up with
     these  ideal solutions
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  oh yeah his  sons  just happen to be named  ELMO    AND HANK
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« Reply #47 on: Apr 24, 2017, 08:59AM »

well   everybody   has  forgotten  the  good ol  50h
  i have had a  couple 
they  play   muchlike   a  6h  loook  like a mini  71h
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 bigger   but not massive  ...conn  character  all the way  !!!!!!!!
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  sometime  last year  i  got  a variant  [not the  first time]   
gotta  be abilene  from  the  mystery   period  twilight  zoone 
the  straight  version  i think  was the 76h  CENTURY
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 i looked   for model number when it came  in   --but  was  elusive  -
 so  i think  i am sending it  in  to aaron  maybe  w the  REYNOLDS HI-FI   !!!!!
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« Reply #48 on: Apr 26, 2017, 06:16PM »

..........so I tell my kid we are thinking about road tripping to St. Louis.  He asked, "Why?"  I said that there was a shop there which specialized in used trombones.  "They have a bunch you can test out.  There are only a couple like it in the country."

"Oh, is it DJ Kennedy?"............out of babes mouths.......

 Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good!

He's all in!

Yes, even he knows "The Man" from the TromboneForum.
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« Reply #49 on: Apr 26, 2017, 06:47PM »

Enjoy the trip and the experience. Trombone shopping with a purchase in mind is so much fun.
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« Reply #50 on: Apr 27, 2017, 09:06AM »

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..........so I tell my kid we are thinking about road tripping to St. Louis.  He asked, "Why?"  I said that there was a shop there which specialized in used trombones.  "They have a bunch you can test out.  There are only a couple like it in the country."

"Oh, is it DJ Kennedy?"............out of babes mouths.......

 Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good! Good!

He's all in!

Yes, even he knows "The Man" from the TromboneForum.
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LUCKY  LUCKY LUCKY  !!!!!!!!!!
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